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    Shadow World Portal?

    It's me again.

    I have been working on converting my own campaign into BR stats for
    awhile now. The world itself is already structured to allow for blood
    lines (though the theory behind them is different, as is the entire
    Pantheon & magic system.)

    The problem is, I really want to connect my world with Cerilia somehow.
    I came up with the idea that perhaps the Shadow World lies between the
    two, and that from the power of the simultaneous destruction of the
    Cerilian Gods and a similar event on my world, that maybe the two worlds
    become 'fused' some how.

    I thought of using the planes, but that entire concept is a mind boggle
    for me, and I avoid it like the plague. Spelljammer.... never liked it
    much.

    I really liked the ideas used in Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series,
    and those of you who are familiar with that series will know what I am
    talking about here, (while those who haven't read it, really should
    IMO) :) but I thought that maybe I could alter the Shadow World to
    represent something similar to the "World of Dreams" from the WOT
    series, or maybe use it like "The Ways."

    So what do you guys think? Could the Shadow World be a dimensional
    "middle ground", or is this entire concept unthinkable?

    Obviously if TSR releases ( I mean to say ... "when..when TSR
    releases...") the Shadow World stuff, I could be in for trouble if opt
    for this route, but like most things, I'll deal with that when I need
    to.

    Later,

    Keith
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    Save BR Man!!!
    http://www.angelfire.com/ak/draftmine

  2. #2
    Niels K. Handest
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    Shadow World Portal?

    At 16:49 24-08-98 -0600, you wrote:

    >So what do you guys think? Could the Shadow World be a dimensional
    >"middle ground", or is this entire concept unthinkable?

    According to A Guide to the Ethereal Plane the Shadow world is actually the
    Ethereal plane modified by some local conditions (e.g. the death of an evil
    god). The Ethereal is connected to all the worlds in the prime material plane.

    >Obviously if TSR releases ( I mean to say ... "when..when TSR
    >releases...") the Shadow World stuff, I could be in for trouble if opt
    >for this route, but like most things, I'll deal with that when I need
    >to.

    The paragraphs in the Guide is rather scetchy and definitely allows for a
    whole accessory on the subject.

    - - Niels
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    Niels Krogsgaard Handest
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  3. #3
    Ed Stark
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    Shadow World Portal?

    At 04:49 PM 8/24/98 -0600, you wrote:
    >It's me again.
    >
    >I have been working on converting my own campaign into BR stats for
    >awhile now. The world itself is already structured to allow for blood
    >lines (though the theory behind them is different, as is the entire
    >Pantheon & magic system.)
    >
    >The problem is, I really want to connect my world with Cerilia somehow.
    >I came up with the idea that perhaps the Shadow World lies between the
    >two, and that from the power of the simultaneous destruction of the
    >Cerilian Gods and a similar event on my world, that maybe the two worlds
    >become 'fused' some how.
    >

    One of the things I put into SHADOW MOON (and actually saw print in GUIDE
    TO THE ETHEREAL) was that the Shadow World acts as something of a veil
    between Aebrynnis (the world of BR) and the rest of the Ethereal Plane--and
    beyond. That's why getting into and out of Aebrynnis is so (comparatively)
    difficult. Having elements of the Shadow World manifest on another plane
    would not be impossible at all--especially in your own campaign--and making
    it a dimensional "middle ground" as you put it sounds like a terrific idea.



    Ed Stark
    Game Designer, Wizards of the Coast/TSR Division
    Asst. Brand Manager
    ALTERNITY Team
    TSR Website: http://www.tsr.com

  4. #4
    Daniel McSorley
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    Shadow World Portal?

    From: Niels K. Handest

    >>So what do you guys think? Could the Shadow World be a dimensional
    >>"middle ground", or is this entire concept unthinkable?
    >
    >According to A Guide to the Ethereal Plane the Shadow world is actually the
    >Ethereal plane modified by some local conditions (e.g. the death of an evil
    >god). The Ethereal is connected to all the worlds in the prime material
    plane.
    >
    >>Obviously if TSR releases ( I mean to say ... "when..when TSR
    >>releases...") the Shadow World stuff, I could be in for trouble if opt
    >>for this route, but like most things, I'll deal with that when I need
    >>to.
    >
    >The paragraphs in the Guide is rather scetchy and definitely allows for a
    >whole accessory on the subject.
    >
    He wasn't talking about the Demiplane of Shadow or whatever the name is
    now, he was talking about BR's Shadow World, kind of a parallel world which
    has been darkened and is now all haunted and evil. There were some plans to
    make accessories detailing it, but those are on hold with the rest of the
    good stuff.
    Actually, as far as I know, the SW prevents direct access to Cerilia from
    any other plane, ethereal, outer, whatever. They have to go through it
    first, then find their way to Cerilia.
    And yes, if you wanted to make the SW a middle ground between two worlds,
    then that would be entirely workable.

    Daniel McSorley- mcsorley.1@osu.edu

  5. #5
    Pieter A de Jong
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    Shadow World Portal?

    At 12:35 PM 8/25/98 -0400, Daniel McSorley wrote:
    >From: Niels K. Handest
    >
    >>>So what do you guys think? Could the Shadow World be a dimensional
    >>>"middle ground", or is this entire concept unthinkable?
    >>
    >>According to A Guide to the Ethereal Plane the Shadow world is actually the
    >>Ethereal plane modified by some local conditions (e.g. the death of an evil
    >>god). The Ethereal is connected to all the worlds in the prime material
    >plane.
    >>
    >>>Obviously if TSR releases ( I mean to say ... "when..when TSR
    >>>releases...") the Shadow World stuff, I could be in for trouble if opt
    >>>for this route, but like most things, I'll deal with that when I need
    >>>to.
    >>
    >>The paragraphs in the Guide is rather scetchy and definitely allows for a
    >>whole accessory on the subject.
    >>
    > He wasn't talking about the Demiplane of Shadow or whatever the name is
    >now, he was talking about BR's Shadow World, kind of a parallel world which
    >has been darkened and is now all haunted and evil. There were some plans to
    >make accessories detailing it, but those are on hold with the rest of the
    >good stuff.
    > Actually, as far as I know, the SW prevents direct access to Cerilia from
    >any other plane, ethereal, outer, whatever. They have to go through it
    >first, then find their way to Cerilia.
    Is this rule "official" and if so can you site a source. Cause it makes some
    high, and not so high level spells come apart in weird ways. For example,
    the 3rd level wizard spell rope trick supposedly hides you in the border
    ethereal plane. Leomund's Chest (5th level wizard spell) hides a chest in
    the ethereal. And worst of all, a dimension door spell (4th level
    wizard)that takes you into a solid object will dump you into the astral
    plane. Never mind assorted dimensional travel spells and summoning spells
    that shouldn't function if the SW prevents access between Aebrynnis and
    other planes.

    > And yes, if you wanted to make the SW a middle ground between two worlds,
    >then that would be entirely workable.
    >

    Pieter A de Jong
    Graduate Mechanical Engineering Student
    University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

  6. #6
    Ed Stark
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    Shadow World Portal?

    At 10:58 AM 8/25/98 -0600, you wrote:
    >> He wasn't talking about the Demiplane of Shadow or whatever the name is
    >>now, he was talking about BR's Shadow World, kind of a parallel world which
    >>has been darkened and is now all haunted and evil. There were some plans to
    >>make accessories detailing it, but those are on hold with the rest of the
    >>good stuff.

    That was the plan and, yes, they are on hold.

    >> Actually, as far as I know, the SW prevents direct access to Cerilia from
    >>any other plane, ethereal, outer, whatever. They have to go through it
    >>first, then find their way to Cerilia.

    "Prevent" is a bad word choice--"Makes it more challenging" is more correct.

    We had occasions when creatures and characters made it into and out of
    Aebrynnis (there was a demon trapped in Giantdowns for awhile). We hadn't
    detailed their journeys yet, but they must have been able to bypass or make
    it through the SW.

    >Is this rule "official" and if so can you site a source. Cause it makes some
    >high, and not so high level spells come apart in weird ways. For example,
    >the 3rd level wizard spell rope trick supposedly hides you in the border
    >ethereal plane. Leomund's Chest (5th level wizard spell) hides a chest in
    >the ethereal. And worst of all, a dimension door spell (4th level
    >wizard)that takes you into a solid object will dump you into the astral
    >plane. Never mind assorted dimensional travel spells and summoning spells
    >that shouldn't function if the SW prevents access between Aebrynnis and
    >other planes.

    Rope trick still works; it puts you on the BORDER to the Ethereal Plane--in
    Aebrynnis, that's the border of the Shadow World, which is the border
    ethereal.

    Leomund's Chest ... might be interesting if a SW creature found it ...

    Dim Door (which is the same ability the halflings of Aebrynnis use) allows
    you to skirt the SW and come out somewhere else in Aebrynnis. You could
    probably use it to go into the SW.

    As far as "official" goes, I can only tell you what I wrote of SHADOW MOON
    that hasn't been published. It could change before it makes it out (it
    hasn't been edited or really 100% completed).


    Ed Stark
    Game Designer, Wizards of the Coast/TSR Division
    Asst. Brand Manager
    ALTERNITY Team
    TSR Website: http://www.tsr.com

  7. #7
    James Ray
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    Shadow World Portal?

    COOL. Incidentally, for those of us wondering about putting "Return to the
    Tomb of Horrors" in BR, why not put the actual Tomb IN the Shadow World?

    - ----------
    > From: Ed Stark
    >
    > One of the things I put into SHADOW MOON (and actually saw print in GUIDE
    TO THE ETHEREAL) was that the Shadow World acts as something of a veil
    between Aebrynnis (the world of BR) and the rest of the Ethereal Plane--and
    beyond. That's why getting into and out of Aebrynnis is so (comparatively)
    difficult. Having elements of the Shadow World manifest on another plane
    would not be impossible at all--especially in your own campaign--and making
    it a dimensional "middle ground" as you put it sounds like a terrific
    idea.>
    >
    > Ed Stark

  8. #8
    Niels K. Handest
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    Shadow World Portal?

    At 12:35 25-08-98 -0400, you wrote:
    >From: Niels K. Handest
    >
    >>>So what do you guys think? Could the Shadow World be a dimensional
    >>>"middle ground", or is this entire concept unthinkable?
    >>
    >>According to A Guide to the Ethereal Plane the Shadow world is actually the
    >>Ethereal plane modified by some local conditions (e.g. the death of an evil
    >>god). The Ethereal is connected to all the worlds in the prime material
    >plane.

    > He wasn't talking about the Demiplane of Shadow or whatever the name is
    >now, he was talking about BR's Shadow World, kind of a parallel world which
    >has been darkened and is now all haunted and evil. There were some plans to
    >make accessories detailing it, but those are on hold with the rest of the
    >good stuff.

    Neither was I. According to A Guide to the Ethereal Plane (p.16) the Shadow
    World of Cerilia is identical to the border ethereal. To quote (the whole
    text is permeated with the rather foolish planescape slang - sorry):

    Natives of the world of Cerilia calls its Border the Shadow World. The
    remnants of an evil power's [god] dissolution resonate throughout Cerilia,
    makings it's Border a Shadow World in truth. A body [person] sees the
    adjoining plane in shades of gray and black, and a certain physical chill
    exists throughout this Border area. What's more, the elusive effect known
    as the Seeming permeates the Shadow World, and it often distorts a blood's
    [adventure's] perception of what's real and what's not -- or maybe it's
    really changing reality. It's hard to tell sometimes. The Seeming has a
    varying chance to affect anyone attempting to move to and from Cerilia,
    including those who use such point-to-point transportations methods as
    teleport without error. Affected cutters [persons] find themselves drawn
    into a Shadow World of altered perception.

    Cerilia's natives believe the Shadow World houses creatures of darkness and
    evil, and maybe they have the dark [truth, secret] of it. After all, the
    Ethereal is the plane where the intangible spirits of those who've failed
    to make the journey to the Outer Planes linger. Moreover, it seems that the
    Shadow World does indeed contain more than it's fair share of haunts and
    evil spirits, probably due to Asrai's dissolution (the dead power mentioned
    above).

    > Actually, as far as I know, the SW prevents direct access to Cerilia from
    >any other plane, ethereal, outer, whatever. They have to go through it
    >first, then find their way to Cerilia.
    > And yes, if you wanted to make the SW a middle ground between two worlds,
    >then that would be entirely workable.


    ========================
    Niels Krogsgaard Handest
    @Home - nkh@get2net.dk
    @Work - nkh@dksin.dk
    @Web - http://hjem.get2net.dk/nkh

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