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  1. #1
    LordSchmit@aol.co
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    Khinasi Names

    I've been studying the name structures of Khinasi characters, and I have some
    questions I hope someone can answer:

    1) What exactly do "bint", "ibn", and "min" mean? What significance do they
    play in the name? I can't detect a pattern to their usage.

    2) What does the "el-" at the beginning of the last names mean, like in "el-
    Arrasi"?

    3) Is all this taken from actual Arabic names, or was it all made up for the
    game?

  2. #2
    Jim Cooper
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    Khinasi Names

    LordSchmit@aol.com wrote:
    > 1) What exactly do "bint", "ibn", and "min" mean? What significance do they play in the name? I can't detect a pattern to their usage.<

    bint = "daughter of" / ibn = "son of" / min = "of" (as far as I can
    tell). Therefore Banira bint hamilah el-Reshid means: Banira, daughter
    of Hamilah (her mother) of the great Reshid (clan). Also: Gerad ibn
    farid el-Arrasi means: Gerad, son of Farid, of the Great Arrasi (family
    line).

    > 2) What does the "el-" at the beginning of the last names mean, like in "el- Arrasi"?<

    Its an honorific = 'The Great' (as far as I can tell).

    > 3) Is all this taken from actual Arabic names, or was it all made up for the game?<

    That I cannot say - probably they are corruptions of Arabic pronouns.

    Cheers,
    Darren

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    MANTA
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    Khinasi Names

    Some names have a definite arabic as they are still used in the portuguese
    language (they were here for some time...)
    Ex.:Alvaro; Duarte; Fatima,etc.

    MANTA
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    > From: Jim Cooper
    > To: birthright@MPGN.COM
    > Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Khinasi Names
    > Date: quarta-feira, 19 de agosto de 1998 5:58
    >
    > LordSchmit@aol.com wrote:
    > > 1) What exactly do "bint", "ibn", and "min" mean? What significance do
    they play in the name? I can't detect a pattern to their usage.<
    >
    > bint = "daughter of" / ibn = "son of" / min = "of" (as far as I can
    > tell). Therefore Banira bint hamilah el-Reshid means: Banira, daughter
    > of Hamilah (her mother) of the great Reshid (clan). Also: Gerad ibn
    > farid el-Arrasi means: Gerad, son of Farid, of the Great Arrasi (family
    > line).
    >
    > > 2) What does the "el-" at the beginning of the last names mean, like in
    "el- Arrasi"?<
    >
    > Its an honorific = 'The Great' (as far as I can tell).
    >
    > > 3) Is all this taken from actual Arabic names, or was it all made up
    for the game?<
    >
    > That I cannot say - probably they are corruptions of Arabic pronouns.
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Darren
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    bstoner
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    LordSchmit@aol.com wrote:

    > I've been studying the name structures of Khinasi characters, and I have some
    > questions I hope someone can answer:
    >
    > 2) What does the "el-" at the beginning of the last names mean, like in "el-
    > Arrasi"?
    >

    I actually don't know how much it may apply, but "el" means "god" in some ancient
    Middle Eastern languages, most notably Hebrew. The term appears often in the
    Bible, especially as part of names...such as Israel ("struggles with God"). I
    reckon, though, that the BR designers are merely basing the names on various Arab
    names...which may use the word "el" in this fashion. I don't know Arabic or
    Hebrew, though, so I can't give much more information.

    Brian, aka Dearnen

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    TheMotive@aol.co
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    In a message dated 8/19/98 6:07:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bstoner@efn.org
    writes:

    >

    What does "aka" mean, then? =)

    - - The Motive
    - --
    Sorry, couldn't resist.

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    CBebris@aol.co
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    Khinasi Names

    In a message dated 98-08-18 23:38:21 EDT, you write:

    > 1) What exactly do "bint", "ibn", and "min" mean? What significance do they
    > play in the name? I can't detect a pattern to their usage.

    bint = daughter of (a modification of the Arabic "binte")
    ibn = son of (real Arabic)
    As for "min," I honestly don't know.

    > 2) What does the "el-" at the beginning of the last names mean, like in
    "el-
    > Arrasi"?

    el = the (real Arabic). Thus el-Arrasi means "The Arrasi." Obviously, you have
    to be pretty important to have people referring to you that way :)

    > 3) Is all this taken from actual Arabic names, or was it all made up for
    the
    > game?

    A combination--as is the case with BR's other languages.

    Carrie Bebris

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    >I've been studying the name structures of Khinasi characters, and I have some
    >questions I hope someone can answer:
    >
    I'll answer them as a dedicated Arabophile :)

    >1) What exactly do "bint", "ibn", and "min" mean? What significance do they
    >play in the name? I can't detect a pattern to their usage.
    >
    bint = daughter (of)
    ibn, bin, or ben = son (of)
    min = of

    >2) What does the "el-" at the beginning of the last names mean, like in "el-
    >Arrasi"?
    >
    "el-" is an alternate form of "al-" which means simply "the" or "of the".

    Thus:
    Gerad ibn Farid el-Arrasi = Gerad, son of Farid of Arrasi family
    Rigel min Namal = Rigel of Namal
    Corazon bint Rilni = Corazon, daughter of Rilni (rather pretentious if you ask me :)

    Some other words you might want to use:
    Sitt = Lady, used by important women before their first name
    Abu = father (of)
    Umm = mother (of), both used in the manner of ibn or bint, if you have a well-known child

    Abd = slave (of), not necessarily a derogative term; used more as an expression of respect or piety. E.g. Abdullah is actually Abd Allah, "Slave of God".

    >3) Is all this taken from actual Arabic names, or was it all made up for the
    >game?

    Yes, most of the names are actual Arabic ones or based on them.

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    LordSchmit@aol.co
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    Thanks to everyone for the information. (:

  9. #9
    Andreas Kjeldsen
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    Khinasi Names

    > > 1) What exactly do "bint", "ibn", and "min" mean? What significance do they
    > > play in the name? I can't detect a pattern to their usage.
    >
    > bint = daughter of (a modification of the Arabic "binte")
    > ibn = son of (real Arabic)
    > As for "min," I honestly don't know.

    I think "min" means "of" or "from", which can refer to either a
    family or a geografic location.

    Andreas Kjeldsen
    morkitar@dadlnet.dk
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    HSteiner1@aol.co
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    In einer eMail vom 19.08.98 04:38:21, schreiben Sie:

    >

    Ah, the old memories of long forgotten games in desert of desolation...
    I only remember the meaning if "ibn", it means "son of"

    There, a memory flash...
    My character name was "Ach al baas ibn al sarah", meaning "Brother of the cat
    and son of the desert" (picked from an arabic dictionary long ago)

    I think "el" means "from" or so


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