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    Gary V. Foss
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    Worshiper Alignments (leads off

    Tim Nutting wrote:

    > Why does Haelyn, ostensibly a god of Good and Law, allow his priests to be
    > Evil? Is this acceptance or is it the god's way of trying to pull them
    > into the fold? My understanding of a priest is that being that has just
    > enough faith in him that he attracts the special attention of the deity...
    > So why? I can see Haelyn as being more willing to use those evil priests
    > to further his divine ends, so long as they support the concepts of Honor,
    > Law, and Courage.
    >
    > Now take into consideration that a cleric desiring to start a new temple
    > decides on his own that evil is unacceptable, obviously Haelyn doesn't go
    > right off and say "well, gee, I'm going to stop giving spells to my evil
    > priests" because a player says so...

    My take on this is that Healyn really isn't that much of a nice guy. In fact,
    when you say that he is "ostensibly the god of good and law" I'd argue that he
    is really neither. He's too militant. As you noted in your next paragraph,
    the rulebook really only talks about him being the god of honor, law and
    courage. These things are not always on the side of goodness.

    Part of the difficulty with this is that Haelyn is one of the few gods in
    Cerilia that has paladins. Paladins are often portrayed as knights in shining
    armor, incredibly moralistic, holy warriors. Personally, I don't much agree
    with this take on paladins in general, but even less so in BR. BR paladins can
    be chaotic good or lawful neutral. (At least if the example of one of Avani's
    paladin's in the back of RoE is correct.) Even if you assume that lawful good
    characters are the goody-goodies that they are often portrayed as, BR paladins
    are different. They should have a more aggressive stance, because their goals
    and motivations are more clearly defined.

    - -Gary

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    Jim Cooper
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    Worshiper Alignments (leads off

    Gary V. Foss wrote:
    > Part of the difficulty with this is that Haelyn is one of the few gods in Cerilia that has paladins. Paladins are often portrayed as knights in shining armor, incredibly moralistic, holy warriors. Personally, I don't much agree with this take on paladins in general, but even less so in BR. BR paladins can be chaotic good or lawful neutral. (At least if the example of one of Avani's paladin's in the back of RoE is correct.) Even if you assume that lawful good characters are the goody-goodies that they are often portrayed as, BR paladins are different. They should have a more aggressive stance, because their goals and motivations are more clearly defined.<

    That and I believe Haelyn is more interested in _Law_; or more
    precisely, HIS law and belief system. I agree with Gary 100% on this
    subject; I play Haelyn as a kind of benevolent dictator. This is
    because there are other good gods, and so, in order for the three good
    gods to differentiate between themselves (to their worshippers) they
    stress the _first_ half of their alignment rather than the second half.

    Cheers,
    Darren

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    Scott Koester
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    Worshiper Alignments (leads off

    >Now take into consideration that a cleric desiring to start a new temple
    >decides on his own that evil is unacceptable, obviously Haelyn doesn't go
    >right off and say "well, gee, I'm going to stop giving spells to my evil
    >priests" because a player says so...
    >

    Exactly. Which is why there are differnt 'temple factions' in BR. Look
    at Haelyn for example. You've got the Northern Imperial Temple of Haelyn
    up in Talinie, and located a few domains away you've got the Impregnable
    Heart of Haelyn and even the Orthodox Imperial Temple of Haelyn in the
    South and Diemed respectively.


    Scott Koester
    muaddib+@osu.edu

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