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    The Olesens
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    Well I know some people out there play Civ2 and I'd like there help. I
    am begining to make a Cerillian Scenerio. For right now I'd just like
    to know what tech levels people think Anuireans/Khinasi/Bretcht are at.
    Here is what I think:

    Pottery
    Map Makeing
    Seafareing
    Alphabet
    Writing
    Mathmatics
    Warrior Code
    Feudalism
    Chivalry
    Horseback Riding
    Masonry
    Currency
    Bronze Working
    Cerimonial Burial
    Construction
    Polytheism
    Trade
    Republic
    Monarchy
    Iron Working
    Bride Building
    Magnatism (thus Physics)
    Physics
    The Wheel


    Those were (almost) for sure. These I am a little iffy about:

    Invention
    Engineering
    Astronomy (thus Mysticism)
    Mysticism
    Philosophy
    Medicine
    University
    Chemestry
    Literacy (required for many above)
    Banking
    Theroy of Gravity
    Economics
    Stealth (just kidding)

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    Pieter A de Jong
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    At 08:28 AM 7/29/98 -0400, you wrote:
    >Well I know some people out there play Civ2 and I'd like there help. I
    >am begining to make a Cerillian Scenerio. For right now I'd just like
    >to know what tech levels people think Anuireans/Khinasi/Bretcht are at.
    >Here is what I think:
    >
    >Pottery
    >Map Makeing
    >Seafareing
    >Alphabet
    >Writing
    >Mathmatics
    >Warrior Code
    >Feudalism
    >Chivalry
    >Horseback Riding
    >Masonry
    >Currency
    >Bronze Working
    >Cerimonial Burial
    >Construction
    >Polytheism
    >Trade
    >Republic
    >Monarchy
    >Iron Working
    >Bride Building
    >Magnatism (thus Physics)
    >Physics
    >The Wheel
    >
    >
    >Those were (almost) for sure. These I am a little iffy about:
    >
    >Invention
    Nope, getting to close to guns, also it gives Leonardo's Workshop which is
    just way to much of an advantage for any one nation.
    >Engineering
    >Astronomy (thus Mysticism)
    >Mysticism
    >Philosophy
    >Medicine
    >University
    >Chemistry (spelling corrected)
    Nope, also getting to close to guns and engineers (explosives tech)
    >Literacy (required for many above)
    >Banking
    >Theroy of Gravity
    >Economics
    >Stealth (just kidding)
    I would however, consider making whichever religious tech that gives
    Crusader units available, as no units of elephant cavalry have been seen in
    the published material

    >>'unsubscribe birthright' as the body of the message.
    >

    Pieter A de Jong
    Graduate Mechanical Engineering Student
    University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

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    The Olesens
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    Jim Cooper wrote:

    > FYI, last year I made a map of Cerilia using the map editor for Civ2 --
    > its quite good, if I do say so myself. :D If anyone wants the file, I
    > could send it over to ya. Oh, the map is a copy of the one on the
    > cardstock sheet #5 (I think), which includes the known part of Aduria,
    > the Taeleshore (or whatever you call it), Djapar, the Golden
    > Archipelago, and the Dragon Isles.
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Darren
    >
    >

    I'd like to see it

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    Jim Cooper
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    FYI, last year I made a map of Cerilia using the map editor for Civ2 --
    its quite good, if I do say so myself. :D If anyone wants the file, I
    could send it over to ya. Oh, the map is a copy of the one on the
    cardstock sheet #5 (I think), which includes the known part of Aduria,
    the Taeleshore (or whatever you call it), Djapar, the Golden
    Archipelago, and the Dragon Isles.

    Cheers,
    Darren

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    >>Invention
    >Nope, getting to close to guns, also it gives Leonardo's Workshop which is
    >just way to much of an advantage for any one nation.

    It can be turned off (change its req to no). But I agree, invention isn't
    yet well-developed in Cerilia.

    >I would however, consider making whichever religious tech that gives
    >Crusader units available, as no units of elephant cavalry have been seen in
    >the published material
    >
    That's Monoteism, which hasn't yet been instituted in Cerilia (unless Azrai
    comes back :) You could rename it to something else, like Holy War.

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    Well, I have followed a similiar vein IMC as a civ2 game, where
    technology becomes much more important -- which I feel is another unique
    aspect of BR. Now, while I won't say I agree with some of Sid Meier's
    technology tree, it suffices. Olesen, your list is great, but IMHO I
    would add:

    Engineering, Astronomy, Mysticism, Philosophy, University, and Literacy
    to the 'for sure list', but I would take out magnetism, and physics.

    Now IMC, several technologies are on the verge of being discovered (I
    like to stress this in my game): Medicine (to me, this is white
    necromancy, which my PC regent of Ilien practices) which will lead him
    to a "Darwin's Voyage _Wonder advance_" (where the discoverer begins to
    understand the ties between each of the races & their role in my 'big
    plan'); Invention, Monotheiesm (this is a big one my PC of Talinie is
    working hard towards), Chemistry & Physics (College of Sorcery is
    working hard on these ones), Banking & Economics (Endier wants to work
    on these ones more). Gunpowder, and a technology called "black sulphur"
    (oil) has just been discovered - courtesy of the dwarves (although the
    Taliniean regent I don't think realizes that his domain just discovered
    the latter).

    Towards this end, I have made up a new facet to the rules: science.
    Basically, domains produce a number of "science points" (beakers, in
    civ2) towards a certain technology I set at the beginning of the
    campaign. Basically it works out to a number of points equal to the
    capital's tax output on 'light'. Thus, IMC it will take Cerilians a
    LONG time to actually advance to an actual modern society (I estimated
    it would take another 800-1000 years). Anyway, I could email anyone
    interested and go in more depth about this, if anyone is interested.

    Oh yeah, I forgot to mention in my previous post that last year I also
    made up a Cerilian scenario too - the date is winter 550 MR, the title
    "The Second Shadow War". All of Cerilia is plunged into war!

    Cheers,
    Darren

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    Here comes my thoughts on the advancement(s) which may or may not be used in a
    Birthright setting. I have used some of these ideas in other campaigns, and
    have found that the player(s) who have created the item, are very proud of their
    ingenuity, and generally scares the bejeebies out of the NPCs. (Fear usually
    results in an attack right?)

    Anyway, these ideas & comments were sparked by the thread regarding the CivII
    thread. Take them for what you will, and maybe we'll get some good ideas of
    what the next century will look like for Abernyis...Given that most AD&D
    players/Dms don't want missiles and hand grenades, but what's wrong with someone
    using the 'research facility' option to stumble upon the discovery that agent
    "A" + agent "b" equals a nasty little explosion? This would take several action
    rounds (if not domain turns) to discover, and then several more to refine to a
    point where it could actually be harnessed in some way. Naturally, most new
    technologies are first incorporated for their 'destructive qualities', so image
    the shock when a Grabentod Pirate ship lobs a 'chlorine bag' onto the decks of a
    Muden ship!

    It doesn't have to be a huge explosion, nor a spectacular result. Of course,
    the very presence of the item is a danger itself. Regent A might be able to
    make a crude 'fire arm', but what if it explodes/backfires often & has very poor
    range/aquracy? Even if the gas bag doesn't work well, it's appearance is going
    to reflect the advancing technologies of a growing culture.

    It has been my experience that players relish in the idea of being able to
    invent a cool little 'techno item', even though a fireball would do the same
    thing & be more precise (not to mention cheaper!) DM modifiers like those above
    can easily restrict these new 'technologies' to keep things balanced, while at
    the same time, giving the campaign a feeling/sense of advancement.

    I have often heard folks say that the Brechts are on the verge of the
    Renaissance, so these ideas should be reflected in the game as well. The DM
    just has to temper them with common sense & tailor it to their own magic level
    for his/her own campaign.

    Anyway, that's my Rant for the day.

    Save BR Man!

    Keith


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    > Towards this end, I have made up a new facet to the rules: science.
    > Basically, domains produce a number of "science points" (beakers, in
    > civ2) towards a certain technology I set at the beginning of the
    > campaign. Basically it works out to a number of points equal to the
    > capital's tax output on 'light'. Thus, IMC it will take Cerilians a
    > LONG time to actually advance to an actual modern society (I estimated
    > it would take another 800-1000 years). Anyway, I could email anyone
    > interested and go in more depth about this, if anyone is interested.
    >

    I would be interested in hearing more of these rules! This sounds like a
    workable system to me! Maybe you should consider submitting these rules to
    the Netbook. I have often wondered how to represent technological /
    ideological advancements in a Fantasy RPG. Tell me more....

    Keith

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    The Olesens
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    Jim Cooper wrote:

    > Well, I have followed a similiar vein IMC as a civ2 game, where
    > technology becomes much more important -- which I feel is another unique
    > aspect of BR. Now, while I won't say I agree with some of Sid Meier's
    > technology tree, it suffices. Olesen, your list is great, but IMHO I
    > would add:
    >
    > Engineering, Astronomy, Mysticism, Philosophy, University, and Literacy
    > to the 'for sure list', but I would take out magnetism, and physics.
    >
    > Now IMC, several technologies are on the verge of being discovered (I
    > like to stress this in my game): Medicine (to me, this is white
    > necromancy, which my PC regent of Ilien practices) which will lead him
    > to a "Darwin's Voyage _Wonder advance_" (where the discoverer begins to
    > understand the ties between each of the races & their role in my 'big
    > plan'); Invention, Monotheiesm (this is a big one my PC of Talinie is
    > working hard towards), Chemistry & Physics (College of Sorcery is
    > working hard on these ones), Banking & Economics (Endier wants to work
    > on these ones more). Gunpowder, and a technology called "black sulphur"
    > (oil) has just been discovered - courtesy of the dwarves (although the
    > Taliniean regent I don't think realizes that his domain just discovered
    > the latter).
    >
    > Towards this end, I have made up a new facet to the rules: science.
    > Basically, domains produce a number of "science points" (beakers, in
    > civ2) towards a certain technology I set at the beginning of the
    > campaign. Basically it works out to a number of points equal to the
    > capital's tax output on 'light'. Thus, IMC it will take Cerilians a
    > LONG time to actually advance to an actual modern society (I estimated
    > it would take another 800-1000 years). Anyway, I could email anyone
    > interested and go in more depth about this, if anyone is interested.
    >
    > Oh yeah, I forgot to mention in my previous post that last year I also
    > made up a Cerilian scenario too - the date is winter 550 MR, the title
    > "The Second Shadow War". All of Cerilia is plunged into war!
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Darren
    >
    > ************************************************** *************************
    > > 'unsubscribe birthright' as the body of the message.
    >

    Cool. Send me the senerio and the stuff about scince points

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    Morgramen wrote:
    > I would be interested in hearing more of these rules! This sounds like a workable system to me! Maybe you should consider submitting these rules to the Netbook. I have often wondered how to represent technological / ideological advancements in a Fantasy RPG. Tell me more....>

    Well, I've gotta go to Vancouver this weekend, so I won't be able to
    type in the info until next week at the earliest. (The stuff is on
    paper that I wrote while I was living in Korea last year).

    Cheers,
    Darren

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