View Poll Results: Which method should be used for Awnshegh?

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  • 1) Method 1 (based on UA bloodline system)

    10 45.45%
  • 2) Method 2 (based on a 20 level class system)

    12 54.55%
  • 3) Abstain

    0 0%
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    All right people have had enough time to look over the 2 proposals and some have even made specific comments on them and voiced their choice for which one to use.

    It is time to pick one to focus on. That way we won't be spending time working out details on 2 different systems when only one can be used as the base for the BRCS.

    Choosing a method now is not saying that the exact way it is written is what wil be used, only that is the format/process we will focus on. We as a group will then comment and revise it until we get something that works to most of our liking.
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    Here is the pdf version.
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    Here is the word version.
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    Should we make any remarks here or not? I think there should be some space for people who want to speak their minds a bit more specifically, but I want push it.

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    Originally posted by RaspK_FOG@Jul 22 2004, 02:09 PM
    Should we make any remarks here or not? I think there should be some space for people who want to speak their minds a bit more specifically, but I want push it.
    No problem.

    This wasn't meant to stiffle things, only to keep people from spending too much time trying to make fixes/changes to a system before we decide which one to use.
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    I like Option 2, but I find it too cumbersome for general use. Could we post the winner of this poll as the 'standard' method, and the other as a Variant?
    "It may be better to be a live jackal than a dead lion, but it is better still to be a live lion -- and usually easier."

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    Originally posted by irdeggman+Jul 22 2004, 10:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (irdeggman @ Jul 22 2004, 10:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RaspK_FOG@Jul 22 2004, 02:09 PM
    Should we make any remarks here or not? I think there should be some space for people who want to speak their minds a bit more specifically, but I want push it.
    No problem.

    This wasn&#39;t meant to stiffle things, only to keep people from spending too much time trying to make fixes/changes to a system before we decide which one to use. [/b][/quote]
    What I meant was whether or not should we post our opinion here, so that we don&#39;t clatter the poll up.

    Basically, I think the Ua system is clean, transparent, and mostly smooth, but seems to me that it is a little towards making things work backwards: instead of making the thing work for the core rules, it tries to bend the core rules to work for it; while I realise why that is, I still don&#39;t feel comfortable with it.

    On the other hand, the 20-level class approach is interesting, has that punch to it that says: "I am using the rules and bear with it, cause I have potential&#33;", but I think the formatting/wording/[whatever] make the whole thing too heavy&#33;

    I choose Option No.2 over Option No.1, but I expect it to get better and simpler.

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    Originally posted by Athos69@Jul 22 2004, 02:49 PM
    I like Option 2, but I find it too cumbersome for general use. Could we post the winner of this poll as the &#39;standard&#39; method, and the other as a Variant?
    This is one of those cases where there can not be a variant approach.

    There really can only be method for building awnshegh in the BRCS. The &#39;other&#39; method can be posted on the Royal Library for those that are interested though.

    Personally I think that both systems can work and both have their own advantages and disadvantages.

    The 2nd system accounts for the system (in the 2nd ed books) for the 2 methods of becoming an awnshegh, while the first method makes the assumption that a scion must have the bloodform blood ability in order to make the transformation. It also doesn&#39;t assume that the bloodform blood ability is required for the transformation - something that the 2nd ed material did not specifically state (that is it didn&#39;t state that the bloodform blood ability was required, but did have that it hastened the change).

    On the other hand the first method allows for the transformation to be outside of the class system so that the awnsheghlien in 2nd ed can maintain their character class levels without becoming extremely high level. My estimate for the Gorgon is somewhere around 10 levels of awnshegh class (using the 2nd method) {Gary tell me how close I am on this one}. So in order to maintain approximately the same relative class levels of fighter and wizard he had in the 2nd ed material (at least close to it) he would end up being somewhere around 30+ level (off the cuff without checking my books.)

    Both proposals, as written will need tweaking and editing regardless - so keep that in mind.

    Fiftyone is writing the awnsheghlien up for the BRCs and he needs to have a single system to use so that the material presented in the BRCS is consistent.
    Duane Eggert

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    AHHHHHHHH&#33;

    I can&#39;t decide&#33;

    But both are usuable&#33;

    What to vote for&#33;?
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    At 10:16 PM 7/22/2004 +0200, irdeggman wrote:



    >My estimate for the Gorgon is somewhere around 10 levels of awnshegh class

    >(using the 2nd method) {Gary tell me how close I am on this one}.



    At a guess I`d say that`s about right, but I really can`t say until I`ve

    tried it. I don`t know what the awnshegh levels of stony skin, and a death

    ray from the eyes would be....



    >So in order to maintain approximately the same relative class levels of

    >fighter and wizard he had in the 2nd ed material (at least close to it) he

    >would end up being somewhere around 30+ level (off the cuff without

    >checking my books.)



    Some of his fighter levels might translate into awnshegh class levels

    pretty well. In fact, several of the awnsheghlien that are portrayed as

    fighters in the original materials would appear to _really_ have levels in

    an awnshegh character class IMO. The Gorgon should, of course, still have

    several levels as a fighter in order to portray him as one of (the) premier

    warriors of Cerilia, but at F25 (per BE) in the "low-level" BR setting that

    still leaves a lot of wiggle room.



    Gary

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