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  1. #1
    DKEvermore@aol.co
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    Tuarheivel: the impregnable fo

    In a message dated 98-07-14 12:55:30 EDT, you write:

    > >>The reason why it is stupid is because putting a human in charge of the
    > elven
    > >>kingdom--all ready having trouble with rogue Ghaellie Sidhe attacks on
    > human
    > >>travellers, is the most divisive, and de-stabilizing thing he could have
    > done.
    > >>This weakens the elven nation as a whole and, IMO would make it MORE
    > >>vulnerable to Gorgon attacks, not less.
    >
    > I suppose this means you believe the elves could withstand an assault by
    > the Gorgon without assistance, if only they are not divided amongst
    > themselves? Yet another hillarious assertation by the "I should have been
    > an elf" club.
    >

    Clayton your assumptions about me and what I think are both flawed and
    useless. If you have nothing to contribute then still your fingers. Or go
    ahead, I don't care; your inflamatory remarks and ridiculous notions about
    what I may or may not think about elves are from now on going where they
    should always have gone: the bit-bucket.

    You have not responded to the logic of the note--which would I would apply for
    ANY human, demi-human, or humanoid nation neighboring the Gorgon's Crown.

    You have not looked at Tuarheivel OR its alliances (yes, it does have a strong
    alliance--look it up yourself, it's another topic entirely).

    Finally, some flaw apparently forces you to see everything in a human vs. elf
    fashion. This had no place in the notes you responded to.

    - -DKE

  2. #2
    James Ray
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    Tuarheivel: the impregnable fo

    So, am I to make the assumption that this whol deal where the Elven King
    turns over his Realm to a Human, exists solely in the Players' Secrets of
    Tuarhievel, which I dont have, so dont have to include IMC, right? Im not
    an "elf-lover", but sheesh - it sounds like something any discriminating DM
    would resent having thrown into his campaign.

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    > From: DKEvermore@aol.com
    > You have not responded to the logic of the note--which would I would
    apply for ANY human, demi-human, or humanoid nation neighboring the
    Gorgon's Crown. You have not looked at Tuarheivel OR its alliances (yes, it
    does have a strong alliance--look it up yourself, it's another topic
    entirely).

  3. #3
    DKEvermore@aol.co
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    Tuarheivel: the impregnable fo

    In a message dated 98-07-14 15:10:41 EDT, you write:

    > So, am I to make the assumption that this whol deal where the Elven King
    > turns over his Realm to a Human, exists solely in the Players' Secrets of
    > Tuarhievel, which I dont have, so dont have to include IMC, right? Im not
    > an "elf-lover", but sheesh - it sounds like something any discriminating DM
    > would resent having thrown into his campaign.
    >
    Yep. It was concocted purely within the pages of the Player's Secrets of
    Tuarhievel.

    - -DKE

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    Pieter A de Jong
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    Tuarheivel: the impregnable fo

    At 11:48 AM 7/14/98 -0500, Clayton F. Hinton wrote:
    >
    >>>
    >>>The reason why it is stupid is because putting a human in charge of the
    >elven
    >>>kingdom--all ready having trouble with rogue Ghaellie Sidhe attacks on human
    >>>travellers, is the most divisive, and de-stabilizing thing he could have
    >done.
    >>>This weakens the elven nation as a whole and, IMO would make it MORE
    >>>vulnerable to Gorgon attacks, not less.
    >
    >I suppose this means you believe the elves could withstand an assault by
    >the Gorgon without assistance, if only they are not divided amongst
    >themselves? Yet another hillarious assertation by the "I should have been
    >an elf" club.
    >
    Clayton, I'm going to try and point a few things out here. 1) the Gorgon
    has tried to conquer Tuarhievel before. He did not succeed, rather his
    entire invading army disapeared, courtesy of an elven experiment in
    Necromancy. Although this cost the Elves dearly, I wouldn't exactly call
    that a win for the Gorgon. 2) The Gorgon can't throw his full power at the
    Elves. He has other strategic worries. Like Mhoried, which would probably
    invade if he pulled all of his units off the border. Like the Brecht
    nations who would love a chance to push him back away from the shores of the
    Great Bay. Like the Swordhawk who hates the Gorgon as much as anyone on the
    planet. 3) The Gorgon has disliked the elves ever since they betrayed him
    (switched sides) at Deismaar, costing him a chance at ruling the entire
    human race. He has had a common border with both Lluabright and Tuarhievel
    since this time. Neither Elven nation has ceased to exist. This indicates
    to me that the Elves have the potential to defend themselves succesfully.
    Especially if the elves don't have an internal civil war going on about
    whether or not a human should be sitting on the Thorn Throne.

    >>>
    >>
    verge of conquering all of Anuire back by giving them hundreds of 30+ level
    >spellcasters and five times as many troops, with double stats. Laugh.
    >
    Clayton, try an jump up and down on the right person when you criticize.
    I'm the person who suggested 30+ level elven mages are a possibility, not,
    Ms. Santer. I was not suggesting hundreds of them (although it might have
    come to that pre-Deismaar), in present times I could see perhaps 5 such
    mages. Even one such mage would give the Gorgon a pause. Hell, the
    presence of one Siebharrin the Lich alone makes it unlikely that the Gorgon
    will take Tuarhievel in the immediate future, given that Siebharrin is 20th
    level, blooded, and is known to work with Necromancy. Given that he has had
    several hundred years since the Gorgon's last invasion, he might have
    perfected (developed a controlled version of) that little incantation he
    used then. If he has, you don't even want to think about trying to invade
    Tuarhievel.

    Pieter A de Jong
    Graduate Mechanical Engineering Student
    University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

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    veryfastperson@juno.com
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    Tuarheivel: the impregnable fo

    >huh. And how, exactly, would the elves ever have a chance of coming
    >out on
    >the winning side against the Gorgon in the future? I'm not intimately

    Easy, elven realm spells. The gorgon has no source holdings in an Elf
    country, so couldn't dispel any of their spells. Get a couple good
    spellcasters using Fhilerains (sp?) sources and they could stand to go
    completely defensive.



    >Why, so they could all die?

    yes.

    >I disagree, but I doubt you'd listen to logic when discussing the
    >sacred,
    >superior, ancient Elven nation.

    ouch. that one bites even me. i think someone is on a power trip here. i
    thought this list was for discussion, not insulting each other.

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    einarh@fagerborg.vgs.n
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    Tuarheivel: the impregnable fo

    >huh. And how, exactly, would the elves ever have a chance of coming out on
    >the winning side against the Gorgon in the future? I'm not intimately
    >familiar with the story surrounding all this, but it seems to me the only
    >way the elves of Tuarheivel are ever going to have security against the
    >Gorgon is if they gain allies elsewhere. I wonder where those allies would
    >be? A human regent could do much to bridge the gap between the ancient
    >elven nation and human ones nearby, particularly this human regent.

    No way Tuarhievel would ever stand against the Gorgons rampage alone.
    Or even allied with rhoube and the sielwode.
    They would *have* to gain human allies in their struggles.
    It will be hard, but more than worth it.
    Their best methods to aquire allies, is to report about gorgon attacks and
    such, as it should scare the hell out of all human regents. If Tuarhievel
    falls. So will Sielwode.
    And then Dhoesone.
    Only in a matter of actions, the gorgon could control an area thrice the
    size of his current domain. And because of that, the humans should fear the
    gorgons rampage.
    If he stops after this one, and the regents of anuire does nothing. Then
    they will be doomed, as he will now have about four times the income, and
    will me able to muster a hell of a lot less troops.
    My personal favourite though, is to let the gorgon attack Wierech and Dauren.
    As they are fairly weak in the beginning, and will be overrun easily....
    Anyway.. I think the Gorgon is far too smart as to not have trade routes....

    Siebharrin the Lich

  7. #7
    James Ray
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    Tuarheivel: the impregnable fo

    YUCK - Im glad I never bought "Tuarhievel", then. I'm no excuse for an
    "elf-lover", but I have no desire to see a human on the Thorn Throne. Just
    from lQQking at my maps of cerilia, though, the Sielwode would appear the
    more tempting target for the Gorgon's predations, though :)

    - ----------
    > From: DKEvermore@aol.com
    > > So, am I to make the assumption that this whol deal where the Elven
    King turns over his Realm to a Human, exists solely in the Players'
    Secrets of Tuarhievel

    > Yep. It was concocted purely within the pages of the Player's Secrets of
    Tuarhievel.
    >
    > -DKE

  8. #8
    Tim Nutting
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    Tuarheivel: the impregnable fo

    Siddeath is a pretty interesting piece of note if any among you considers
    the Elves incapable of defending themselves.

    Those of you unfamiliar with the name should do some research on the issue.
    To be honest, if I had thought to conquer any elven land by sheer force of
    numbers alone, the mere happenings those many years ago would give me
    pause.

    So what if a human rules, that she is not a mage makes here all the better
    as a figure head. The wizards who control Tuarheivel's sources are some of
    the most accomplished wizards in the world. Why? Siddeath and the Lich.

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