Contesting provinces

[Solmyr]

Could someone *please* answer my question? You don't need to speak with
great authority, any ideas will do :)

>I have a question. The rules say that a province can be contested
peacefully
>if its loyalty is poor or rebellious. Now suppose that someone contests a
>province, then the ruler agitates there so that the loyalty is improved to
>average or high before the contesting regent can invest it. Does the
>province stay contested? Can it still be invested?
>
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[veryfastperson@juno.com]

On Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:33:19 +0300 "Aleksei Andrievski"
writes:
>Could someone *please* answer my question? You don't need to speak
>with
>great authority, any ideas will do :)
>
>>I have a question. The rules say that a province can be contested
>peacefully
>>if its loyalty is poor or rebellious. Now suppose that someone
>contests a
>>province, then the ruler agitates there so that the loyalty is
>improved to
>>average or high before the contesting regent can invest it. Does the
>>province stay contested? Can it still be invested?

Okay, since i think i know where this could have come from, i don't know
how much weight my idea's will carry :)

But about your question - I would say that the loyalty HAS to be
rebellious to be invested peacefully. If the ruler of the province
agitates it to poor or higher, it cannot be invested. Now, if it is
contested then agitated, i would say that would be similar to contesting
it back :) of course, the contesting regent could use some RP's to
"anti-agitate".

Just my thoughs, and a couple GB's
- -Erik

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[David Sean Brown]

> >I have a question. The rules say that a province can be contested
> peacefully
> >if its loyalty is poor or rebellious. Now suppose that someone contests a
> >province, then the ruler agitates there so that the loyalty is improved to
> >average or high before the contesting regent can invest it. Does the
> >province stay contested? Can it still be invested?

I would have to say the the province is still contested because the ruling
regent has done nothing to stop or counteract this action. Hwoever,
befause the loyalty has been raised above poor, by the rules it cannot be
invested peacefully.

Sean

[James Ray]

- ----------
> > >I have a question. The rules say that a province can be contested
> > peacefullyif its loyalty is poor or rebellious.

Actually, the rules say a province can be peacefully contested if its law
holding is at (0) AND the province's loyalty is poor or rebellious. If the
Law Holding in the Province isn't (0), the Province cant be peacefully
invested.

>Now suppose that someone contests a province, then the ruler >agitates
there so that the loyalty is improved to average or high before >the
contesting regent can invest it.

It depends...is each action by each Regent successful? How do the two
Regents and the Priest who is to perform Investiture compare to each other
in the order of Domain Initiative?

>Does the province stay contested? Can it still be invested?

The Province, if successfully contested, generates no regency or GBs until:

a) its ruler is divisted
b) ends the Contest by creating a Law Holding
c) increases the Provinces Loyalty

In your example, the Regent Contesting rulership of the Province has
succeeded, so, if he has a priest Regent ready to perform Investiture, he
can attempt to Invest the Province during his next Action Round, as long as
BOTH the contesting Regent AND the Priest Regent go before the current
ruler in the order of Domain Initiative . If the Province's loyalty is
rebellious, then an Agitate action alone wont suffice to keep the
contesting Regent from trying again, though...
>
> I would have to say the the province is still contested because the
ruling regent has done nothing to stop or counteract this action. Hwoever,
befause the loyalty has been raised above poor, by the rules it cannot be
invested peacefully.
>
> Sean
Let me also add that the loyalty of the Province need not be raised "above
poor"...raising it TO poor is enough to end the Contest, but the contesting
Regent is still free to perform Contest again in the next Action Round. MY
question about this scenario is wether this use of Contest destroys the Law
(0) the current ruler controlled in the Province. I would assume so, or
else Ruling the Law (0) to a Law (1) would end the contest, as well as the
methods listed above.

2) Does it leave the Province uncontrolled?

[bloebick@juno.com (Benja]

On Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:33:19 +0300 "Aleksei Andrievski"
writes:
>Could someone *please* answer my question? You don't need to speak
>with
>great authority, any ideas will do :)
>
>>I have a question. The rules say that a province can be contested
>peacefully
>>if its loyalty is poor or rebellious. Now suppose that someone
>contests a
>>province, then the ruler agitates there so that the loyalty is
>improved to
>>average or high before the contesting regent can invest it. Does the
>>province stay contested? Can it still be invested?
>>

OK. Here's my opinion, since the rules are not clear.

If you contest a rebellious province, then the rulership reverts to no
one (ie, the province is contested). It takes a Rule action for the
regent to regain it. If the regent raises loyalty, then it makes it
impossible to be contested again, but the regent can not collect RP or GB
from the province until a Rule action is successful.

Benjamin

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[Craig Mellare]

>>I have a question. The rules say that a province can be contested
>peacefully
>>if its loyalty is poor or rebellious. Now suppose that someone contests a
>>province, then the ruler agitates there so that the loyalty is improved to
>>average or high before the contesting regent can invest it. Does the
>>province stay contested? Can it still be invested?

Since the rules state that a successfully contested province remains
contested until the ruler plays a successful rule action my answer would be
yes to the first question and yes to the second.

Craig

[James Ray]

Its not a Rule action that ends a Provincial Contest. The Province remains
Contested until its current ruler is divested of the Proince, the current
ruler successfully Creates a Law Holding, or the current ruler increases
the Province's Loyalty. Succeeding a Rule action works to save Contested
Holdings, not Provinces.

- ----------
> From: Craig Mellare
> Since the rules state that a successfully contested province remains
> contested until the ruler plays a successful rule action my answer would
be
> yes to the first question and yes to the second.
>
> Craig