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  1. #1
    The Olesens
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    Cerillia in 600 years

    Okay, 600 years ago people ran around fighting with swords and stuff (or
    about that amout of time). Now we fight with computers, missiles and
    machine guns. What will Cerillia be like in 1100 MR? Will Ghore be a
    Repiblic? Will some Dosiere be the first man in space?

    Now, add magic and bloodabilities to the mix. Today for sale we have an
    M16 +3 with Distibution and Wounding Properties. Could you cast
    "Un-Freeeze Computer" for me? Are Paladins immune to Saddam's Biolgical
    weapons? New realm spell created, "Teleport Aircaraft Carrier"!
    Teleports an Aircraft Carrier and its normal supporting fleet. Not to
    metion this Howitzer of Speed.

    Oh, and by the way, what will the Gorgon wear now that plate mail is out
    of style? Bulletproof combat suit +5?



    What major advances were made between Dessimar and 500 MR? Surely
    something was invented in 2,000 years! It seems that the technology and
    fighting styles were the same back then.




    This comes from thinking about what will happen to an elf with Great
    Long life. Let's say your average elf lives about 1,000 years (disease,
    etc.). Now he ages 1 year for every 1,000 years. that comes out to a
    staggering 1,000,000 (one million) years.

  2. #2
    Suiriene@aol.co
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    Cerillia in 600 years

    In a message dated 6/28/98 8:32:38 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
    olesens@bellatlantic.net writes:

    >
    Fairly minor spoilers for Sword of Roele












    In the adventure the Sword of Roele is mentioned as being made in the more
    barbaric heavier style of Micheal Roele's time. I interpreted that as being a
    broadsword. I guess that I would rule that they didn't have longswords back
    then and only broadswords. I am not sure if this would play out in our
    history. Something to think about.

  3. #3
    The Olesens
    Guest

    Cerillia in 600 years

    The Olesens wrote:
    >
    > Okay, 600 years ago people ran around fighting with swords and stuff (or
    > about that amout of time). Now we fight with computers, missiles and
    > machine guns. What will Cerillia be like in 1100 MR? Will Ghore be a
    > Repiblic? Will some Dosiere be the first man in space?
    >
    > Now, add magic and bloodabilities to the mix. Today for sale we have an
    > M16 +3 with Distibution and Wounding Properties. Could you cast
    > "Un-Freeeze Computer" for me? Are Paladins immune to Saddam's Biolgical
    > weapons? New realm spell created, "Teleport Aircaraft Carrier"!
    > Teleports an Aircraft Carrier and its normal supporting fleet. Not to
    > metion this Howitzer of Speed.
    >
    > Oh, and by the way, what will the Gorgon wear now that plate mail is out
    > of style? Bulletproof combat suit +5?

    Actually by then, Raesane will be a stone statue, because every hundered
    or thousand years, his AC betters by one, but once his natural AC is
    - -10, he turns to complete stone, a statue worth over $50,000,000+.

    >
    > What major advances were made between Dessimar and 500 MR? Surely
    > something was invented in 2,000 years! It seems that the technology and
    > fighting styles were the same back then.
    >
    > This comes from thinking about what will happen to an elf with Great
    > Long life. Let's say your average elf lives about 1,000 years (disease,
    > etc.). Now he ages 1 year for every 1,000 years. that comes out to a
    > staggering 1,000,000 (one million) years.
    > ************************************************** *************************
    > > 'unsubscribe birthright' as the body of the message.

  4. #4
    Clayton F. Hinton
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    Cerillia in 600 years

    I think this all boils down to the fact that the "great minds" of the world
    are not inventing technological gizmo's or contraptions, and are not trying
    to write the "Law's of Nature." They are working with the Magic, and this
    toil will doom the world to a never-ending dark age where mechanical
    advancements are shunned in favor of Magic. The best a magical world can
    do is to develop magic to such an extent that it operates much like today's
    technological contraptions. As a good example, see the Darksword Trilogy
    by Weis and Hickman.

    At 09:21 PM 6/28/98 -0400, you wrote:
    >Okay, 600 years ago people ran around fighting with swords and stuff (or
    >about that amout of time). Now we fight with computers, missiles and
    >machine guns. What will Cerillia be like in 1100 MR? Will Ghore be a
    >Repiblic? Will some Dosiere be the first man in space?
    >
    >Now, add magic and bloodabilities to the mix. Today for sale we have an
    >M16 +3 with Distibution and Wounding Properties. Could you cast
    >"Un-Freeeze Computer" for me? Are Paladins immune to Saddam's Biolgical
    >weapons? New realm spell created, "Teleport Aircaraft Carrier"!
    >Teleports an Aircraft Carrier and its normal supporting fleet. Not to
    >metion this Howitzer of Speed.
    >
    >Oh, and by the way, what will the Gorgon wear now that plate mail is out
    >of style? Bulletproof combat suit +5?
    >
    >
    >
    >What major advances were made between Dessimar and 500 MR? Surely
    >something was invented in 2,000 years! It seems that the technology and
    >fighting styles were the same back then.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >This comes from thinking about what will happen to an elf with Great
    >Long life. Let's say your average elf lives about 1,000 years (disease,
    >etc.). Now he ages 1 year for every 1,000 years. that comes out to a
    >staggering 1,000,000 (one million) years.
    >************************************************* **************************
    >>'unsubscribe birthright' as the body of the message.
    >

  5. #5
    E Gray
    Guest

    Cerillia in 600 years

    - -----Original Message-----
    From: The Olesens
    To: birthright@MPGN.COM
    Date: Sunday, June 28, 1998 8:32 PM
    Subject: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Cerillia in 600 years


    >Okay, 600 years ago people ran around fighting with swords and stuff (or
    >about that amout of time).

    1398 AD....gunpowder was already developed, Europe was still recovering
    from the black plague, a dozen other things that amount to more than stuff.

    >Now we fight with computers, missiles and machine guns.

    Yep..

    > What will Cerillia be like in 1100 MR?

    Who knows? What do you want it to be like? It's not like technology
    has to increase at any set rate(at least, there's no LAW that we know of to
    dictate such..).

    >Will Ghore be a Repiblic?

    Russia was an autocracy less than 100 years ago, China and Japan
    still had emperors, as did Germany and Austria-Hungary for that
    matter.

    >Will some Dosiere be the first man in space?


    Could be.


    >Oh, and by the way, what will the Gorgon wear now that plate mail is out
    >of style? Bulletproof combat suit +5?


    I think he'll be dead by then....


    >What major advances were made between Dessimar and 500 MR?

    I dunno, but the aftereffects of Dessimar is something to consider.
    Chances are there would be some technological regression after that.

    >Surely something was invented in 2,000 years!

    Certainly....but how major were the inventions? How widely were they
    adopted?

    >It seems that the technology and fighting styles were the same back then.


    Perhaps they were in some ways....and the books just don't cover it....in
    any case how different were the 1700s were from the 1100s? In many ways,
    quite a lot, but not in all of them..

  6. #6
    The Olesens
    Guest

    Cerillia in 600 years

    E Gray wrote:
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: The Olesens
    > To: birthright@MPGN.COM
    > Date: Sunday, June 28, 1998 8:32 PM
    > Subject: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Cerillia in 600 years
    >
    > >Okay, 600 years ago people ran around fighting with swords and stuff (or
    > >about that amout of time).
    >
    > 1398 AD....gunpowder was already developed, Europe was still recovering
    > from the black plague, a dozen other things that amount to more than stuff.
    >
    > >Now we fight with computers, missiles and machine guns.
    >
    > Yep..
    >
    > > What will Cerillia be like in 1100 MR?
    >
    > Who knows? What do you want it to be like? It's not like technology
    > has to increase at any set rate(at least, there's no LAW that we know of to
    > dictate such..).
    >
    > >Will Ghore be a Repiblic?
    >
    > Russia was an autocracy less than 100 years ago, China and Japan
    > still had emperors, as did Germany and Austria-Hungary for that
    > matter.
    >
    > >Will some Dosiere be the first man in space?
    >
    > Could be.
    >
    > >Oh, and by the way, what will the Gorgon wear now that plate mail is out
    > >of style? Bulletproof combat suit +5?
    >
    > I think he'll be dead by then....
    >
    > >What major advances were made between Dessimar and 500 MR?
    >
    > I dunno, but the aftereffects of Dessimar is something to consider.
    > Chances are there would be some technological regression after that.
    >
    > >Surely something was invented in 2,000 years!
    >
    > Certainly....but how major were the inventions? How widely were they
    > adopted?
    >
    > >It seems that the technology and fighting styles were the same back then.
    >
    > Perhaps they were in some ways....and the books just don't cover it....in
    > any case how different were the 1700s were from the 1100s? In many ways,
    > quite a lot, but not in all of them..


    I agree. I like the idea that technology was suppresed after Desimaar.
    I forgot about the Gorgon's Improvined Armor Class Death (turns to
    stone).

    Do you think 1 point of AC improvement every 100 years would be
    appropiate? (when he reaches the AC of solid stone he dies).

    The Ruins of Empire might have also slowed Techneolgical advances. I'd
    say the biggest advances were made during the Empire. The big uglies
    (gorgon, spider) will have also slowed technology with thier wars.

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    DKEvermore@aol.co
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    Cerillia in 600 years

    In a message dated 98-06-28 21:32:24 EDT, you write:

    > This comes from thinking about what will happen to an elf with Great
    > Long life. Let's say your average elf lives about 1,000 years (disease,
    > etc.). Now he ages 1 year for every 1,000 years. that comes out to a
    > staggering 1,000,000 (one million) years.
    >

    Um.. Elves are immortal. They do not age past maturity. Having them age even
    one year per millenia is a step backwards. Also, they are immune to disease
    (although they have the usual allergic reactions to weapons; redness,
    swelling, pain and lots of blood ;)

    - -DKE

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    The Olesens
    Guest

    Cerillia in 600 years

    DKEvermore@aol.com wrote:
    >
    > In a message dated 98-06-28 21:32:24 EDT, you write:
    >
    > > This comes from thinking about what will happen to an elf with Great
    > > Long life. Let's say your average elf lives about 1,000 years (disease,
    > > etc.). Now he ages 1 year for every 1,000 years. that comes out to a
    > > staggering 1,000,000 (one million) years.
    > >
    >
    > Um.. Elves are immortal. They do not age past maturity. Having them age even
    > one year per millenia is a step backwards. Also, they are immune to disease
    > (although they have the usual allergic reactions to weapons; redness,
    > swelling, pain and lots of blood ;)
    >
    > -DKE


    So what does Long Life do for an elf?

  9. #9
    Caleb Chitwood
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    Cerillia in 600 years

    This is a good question and worthy of debate. The way I look at it is that
    every elf is born w/ a "new and improved" version of long life: they age to
    maturity and then stop until somebody manages to stick 'em w/ a sword or
    some other event ends their life. As far as I'm concerned, long life is
    completely useless to an elf. If I had an elven PC who rolled up long life
    as a blood ability, I would probably allow them to roll again. Now, of
    course, all of this falls under "Caleb's opinion" and should be taken w/ a
    grain of salt. If anyone else out there has any ideas about how long life
    affects elves, I'd love to hear 'em.

    Caleb

  10. #10
    E Gray
    Guest

    Cerillia in 600 years

    - -----Original Message-----
    From: Caleb Chitwood
    To: birthright@MPGN.COM
    Date: Monday, June 29, 1998 9:49 AM
    Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Cerillia in 600 years


    >This is a good question and worthy of debate. The way I look at it is that
    >every elf is born w/ a "new and improved" version of long life: they age to
    >maturity and then stop until somebody manages to stick 'em w/ a sword or
    >some other event ends their life. As far as I'm concerned, long life is
    >completely useless to an elf.

    Ok, that makes *sense*.

    > If I had an elven PC who rolled up long life as a blood ability, I would
    >probably allow them to roll again.

    Considering the above, this is quite logical..

    >Now, of course, all of this falls under "Caleb's opinion" and should be
    taken >w/ a grain of salt. If anyone else out there has any ideas about how
    long life
    >affects elves, I'd love to hear 'em.


    Ok, example...Milo Morai of the Horseclans books(by Robert Adams...good
    read if you can find them...), is also immortal, at least as far as the
    reader
    can tell....but his memories tend to get fuzzy, and according to the GURPS
    version, at least, maybe not the books if he or any other immortal(there are
    quite a few of them...)takes a blow to the head, they stand a substantial
    chance of losing their memories. Afterall, if you live long enough, you're
    going to have so many things to remember that its hardly suprising some
    things get dumped.... Heck, psychologically you could go nuts and decide
    to spend your time counting daisies or a dozen other problems. But, if
    the
    elf in question has long-lived, well those difficulties are prevented or at
    least
    forestalled. There how does that possibility strike everyone?

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