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I personally would not use sea elves in Birthright - I agree that it =
does not fit the flavour but that is just me. If you did want to use =
them - there should be no major problems with that as long as you kept =
the population small and didn't create vast sprawling empires for them. =
The "official" word on the sahuagin in Birthright is that they are not a =
populas race (they live in the Krakkenauricht and serve the Kraken) and =
in fact are a lot more primitive than sahuagin of other areas (or worlds =
for that matter - if anyone has the Sea Devils Monstrous Arcana book, =
you'll just how advanced and deadly these guys can be). So you would =
need to come up with another racial enemy (the sahuagin are the sea =
elves traditional enemy). Also, I would not see any problems with =
needing to up the magic level to "equal" the fighting arena - the PCs =
have decided to head into a totally alien environment - why should they =
be allowed to function equally? I think it would alot more fun to watch =
them struggle underwater (again, the Sea Devils book shows how a race of =
2HD creatures can be deadly to even mid-level characters underwater =
simply because of their adaptation to their environment). There are a =
number of spells that can aid the PCs in travelling underwater - or the =
PCs could research their own. You shouldn't have to start throwing in =
helms of underwater action and rings of free action just to let them =
adventure underwater.

Peter "Dragon" Hodge
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From: KirbyRanma@aol.com [SMTP:KirbyRanma@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 5:43 PM
To: birthright@MPGN.COM
Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Mehigible and the Seas

In a message dated 98-06-09 09:39:25 EDT, you write:

you guessed it, Sea Elves! >>

I would personally hate to see sea elves develop. I think they =
were
somewhat overdone in Dragonlance, but that may have been where their =
calling
was. Off-hand, I don't recall another campaign setting that uses them =
that
all the players would know of the sea elves (I'm not familiar enough =
with FR
to know if they do or do not), but I don't recall them in Greyhawk or
Planescape. I know they are not in Ravenloft and Dark Sun is right out. =
If
we used sea elves, how "medieval" would they be? I don't see them as =
needing
castles per se, but domes should be hard to build underwater. Also, if =
they
do exist, who is their racial enemy? Kuo-toa? Sauhgin? Crabmen? =
There
would have to be enough of an enemy so the elves wouldn't have a =
monopoly in
the oceans. Granted the Krakken, Leviathan and Sea Drake would eat them =
up
yum, as if they were fish-heads, but the PCs wouldn't stand a chance =
against
any of them. To make the fighting arena *equal,* you'd have to helms of
underwater breathing, rings of free action, etc and then you've just =
upped the
magic quantity level.
As far as the "land" or body of water is concerned, how would you =
divide
them up into provinces? Would you just do by water body type or by =
depth?
Would the land/source values matter since you couldn't build any =
holdings in
the water (no new holdings "dock," "port," or "peir" please) What =
exactly
would consist of a realm spell and would you really want a whole bunch =
of new
water-based spells coming your way when in an armada? If two navies =
fought,
the first one to cast "Tsunami" would probably win, unless the other =
cast
"Whirlpool" first and then they mutually destroyed themselves. That =
would
just suck spoiled bananas. Well, in my opinion, at least.

Take care all,
Kirby (wet behind the ears)
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