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06-08-1998, 10:27 PM #1TheMotive@aol.coGuest
Birthright: Second Edition?
Hola!
Hey, is anyone as excited about the revised Birthright Campaign setting as I
am? =) Does anyone know what/if they changed anything? I have no quams with
the old Birthright (except a few questions on rules), except the fact that
everything is SO hard to find! I do so hope holdings are more detailed in the
revised version (just how *does* a regent gain law holdings somewhere else
besides his domain? I mean, you don't see the Governor of New York
establishing the NYPD in Boston!). So, I'd like to know, what do you want to
see changed in the revised Birthright? =)
- - The Motive
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06-09-1998, 12:25 AM #2The Olesen`sGuest
Birthright: Second Edition?
I do so hope holdings are more detailed in the
> revised version (just how *does* a regent gain law holdings somewhere else
> besides his domain?
Law holdings not loyal to a ruler reperesent unrest and crimal activity
(bandits, etc.). That is as close I can summerize the rulebook w/o
looking at it. I play Suiriene in a PBeM and I have read anything about
it I can get my hands on. The Serpent's law holdings(2) in Mastiele
(5/0), Suiriene's capital, represent the unrest among the poor people in
the big city.
I mean, you don't see the Governor of New York
> establishing the NYPD in Boston!).
People do this to me so no one go screaming your head off!
The Govenor of NY doesn't establish the NYPD in Boston because it is the
same "realm."
Lets use Ghore as an expamle (AN EXAMPLE, DO NOT GO OFF ON THE WAYS
GHORE RULES!). Ghore's law in Achiese could be called the APD and his
law in Ghiere could be the GPD. THe point is, NYPD is just establishing
that those particular police (law holding) are stationed in New York
(whatever province).
The United States (in BR translations) consits of 50+ provinces (if you
don't know where that number came from go run into a wall. THe + came
from various Imperial City-like cities) and various law holdings across
the provinces. The law holding in NYC (probably a level 12 or more
city-province) is called the NYPD.
Now in a comunist country the "guilds" would also be owned by the
"regent" and, depending thier may be very few temple holdings.
Some realms may alos own the temple holdings (umm...THe Holy Roman
Empire?)
And, of course, no one on Earth can tap into its source holdings, or can
someone........
Hope that clears things up!
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06-09-1998, 02:01 AM #3paulhallGuest
Birthright: Second Edition?
A friend of mine told me that in the 2nd edition Birthright campaign, that
blooded priests could turn undead units, inflicting one hit of damage per
combat turn to the undead monsters. That is if he passes his rolls. I
very much like this rule.
Paul
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> From: TheMotive@aol.com
> To: birthright@MPGN.COM
> Subject: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Birthright: Second Edition?
> Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 6:27 PM
>
> Hola!
>
> Hey, is anyone as excited about the revised Birthright Campaign setting
as I
> am? =) Does anyone know what/if they changed anything? I have no quams
with
> the old Birthright (except a few questions on rules), except the fact
that
> everything is SO hard to find! I do so hope holdings are more detailed in
the
> revised version (just how *does* a regent gain law holdings somewhere
else
> besides his domain? I mean, you don't see the Governor of New York
> establishing the NYPD in Boston!). So, I'd like to know, what do you want
to
> see changed in the revised Birthright? =)
>
> - The Motive
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Birthright: Second Edition?
paulhall wrote:
>
> A friend of mine told me that in the 2nd edition Birthright campaign, that
> blooded priests could turn undead units, inflicting one hit of damage per
> combat turn to the undead monsters. That is if he passes his rolls. I
> very much like this rule.
> Paul
>
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> > From: TheMotive@aol.com
> > To: birthright@MPGN.COM
> > Subject: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Birthright: Second Edition?
> > Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 6:27 PM
> >
> > Hola!
> >
> > Hey, is anyone as excited about the revised Birthright Campaign setting
> as I
> > am? =) Does anyone know what/if they changed anything? I have no quams
> with
> > the old Birthright (except a few questions on rules), except the fact
> that
> > everything is SO hard to find! I do so hope holdings are more detailed in
> the
> > revised version (just how *does* a regent gain law holdings somewhere
> else
> > besides his domain? I mean, you don't see the Governor of New York
> > establishing the NYPD in Boston!). So, I'd like to know, what do you want
> to
> > see changed in the revised Birthright? =)
> >
> > - The Motive
> >
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Hey curios as to when the Birthright 2nd edition is coming out?
Brian "learic"
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06-09-1998, 01:24 PM #5Mark A VandermeulenGuest
Birthright: Second Edition?
On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, The Olesen's wrote:
> I do so hope holdings are more detailed in the
> > revised version (just how *does* a regent gain law holdings somewhere else
> > besides his domain?
>
> Law holdings not loyal to a ruler reperesent unrest and crimal activity
> (bandits, etc.). That is as close I can summerize the rulebook w/o
> looking at it. I play Suiriene in a PBeM and I have read anything about
> it I can get my hands on. The Serpent's law holdings(2) in Mastiele
> (5/0), Suiriene's capital, represent the unrest among the poor people in
> the big city.
Also, don't forget that in real medieval political structures, the ruler,
though theoretically sovereign, is in fact quite limited by the nobles
under him in what exactly he can do. I tend to consider law holding owned
by another ruler to represent lesser nobles who for one reason or another,
although they profess vassalage to the province ruler, in fact give their
true loyalty to another. The province ruler way very well know that the
lesser noble is untrustworthy, but is often simply unable to do much about
it. He could attack the disloyal vassal, but seldom will unless the noble
is outright disobeying direct orders, because he will have a general
revolt on his hands from the rest of his nobles for applying "strong-arm"
tactics--the lesser nobles are quite jealous of the limited privelages
that they have, and are quite resistant to rulers who attempt to take that
away from them. Not to mention that the province goes into a state of
(civil) war and the effect that has on loyalty. The best bet is to try and
outmaneuver the lesser noble using the conventional legal system of the
realm into lessening that disloyal noble's power in favor of lesser nobles
who are more loyal (this is called the "contest holding" action and the
"rule holding" action).
Mark VanderMeulen
vander+@pitt.edu
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