Pointless asside: The Screed Co

[E Gray]

- -----Original Message-----
From: James Ruhland
To: birthright@MPGN.COM
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Pointless asside: The Screed Continues



>> Really? What were the percentages? I was under the impression that not a
>> HUGE proportion of the male poplulation of the United States fought in
>WWII.

> As far as fought, no, not a huge proportion. But roughly 15% of the male
>population saw service in some form (at greatest muster, circa 12 milion
>out of a total population of roughly 180 million)

Actually the number would be closer to 16 million out of 132+ million.
Also closer to 12% really, but that is still a significant number.

> Of course, that's for the U.S. Figures for, say Germany and/or USSR would
>be higher, percentage wise, but not orders of magnatudes higher.

I'd say no more than 20%

> Still, not impossible. Athens and Sparta could both match thouse figures,
>as far as %s go, and they with their allies could field armies of that size
>(40K).


And for the real numbers try Rome...one reason Pyyrhus and Hannibal
lost against them is because the Romans could mobilize so much of
their then population..

[darkstar]

Alain Pouliot wrote:
>
> hahahahaha. A little guilder and a couples of friends can muster 200 units.
> Roesone, Boeruine, Talanie, Avanil, Ghoere, Mhoried, Tuornen, Dhoesone,
> Tuarhievel, Baruk-Azhik, Endier, Ilien and Gorgon's crown have only 163
> unit together!!!!!!
>
> How can you do best????

I havn't replied to this before now but an army of 200 units in war time
is possible if a nations entire income (including trade routes) is used
to fund the effort.
In the case that has been mentioned by James (of which I am the DM)
there is not exactly 200 units on each side. I won't give away the exact
numbers but it is lower than that.
Now as for the army that he was talking about on his side.
He controls a guild that controls all (and I mean all) the guild
activity out and inside Taeghas. As well as guilds and trade routes in
Avanil, Diemed, Ilien, and whats left of Roesone. This brings in around
100+ GB a turn and that money can support the 70 units he spoke off,
with virtually nothing left over though.
Add to that Mieres with its guilds, trade routes and provinces and you
get another large portion of income which can maintain more units. And
then you add the IHH, Diemed, and Haelynil (southern Roesone) to the
list, along with Medoere (now controlled by Diemed) and the OIT and you
have one big alliance.

Now if you look on the map and actually look at the territory these guys
control and add in the trade routes, guilds etc then it covers a fair
bit of Anuire so if they want to put their entire efforts into creating
armies then 200 units is not out of the question.

As for their enemy, Ghoere. He has control of all the temples, guilds,
and trade routes in his kingdom which bring in a lot of money.

I would agree however that most normal battles do not consist of this
number of soldiers, although another recently had about 120-140 units
all up on both sides. You have to remember that this is a battle really
to decide who will be best placed to become emperor. If Ghoere wins then
Tael controls Ghoere, Roesone, Ilien, Medoere, and Diemed which is a
lot. And if Diemed wins it is the other way around. Of course there is
still Avanil and Boeruine to take care of, but with all those provinces
in your hands it would be possible to take control of all of Anuire in
time. So you see this is no ordinary battle, no mere skirmish between
nations. It is a fight for the future of Anuire!

ok enough from me.


- --
Ian Hoskins

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[darkstar]

Shade wrote:
>
> > And, of course, the weapons were a lot different etc. There are a lot of
> >differences, really, but as far as the raw % under arms, not so.
>
> Really? What were the percentages? I was under the impression that not a
> HUGE proportion of the male poplulation of the United States fought in WWII.

Perhaps not in the united states, but countries like Australia and New
Zealand sent off a large portion of their male populations to the wars.
Also in earlier times it was possible to draft more people into the
army. 10% is a usual good figure.

- --
Ian Hoskins

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[Solmyr]

>hahahahaha. A little guilder and a couples of friends can muster 200 units.
>Roesone, Boeruine, Talanie, Avanil, Ghoere, Mhoried, Tuornen, Dhoesone,
>Tuarhievel, Baruk-Azhik, Endier, Ilien and Gorgon's crown have only 163
>unit together!!!!!!
>
>How can you do best????
>
Actually, he has a point. Why didn't you guys conquer Gorgon's Crown yet?
Now, it's probably beneath your notice, but you'd be doing a public service
to all Cerilia. Think about it - free publicity...

******************
Aleksei Andrievski
aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star
Visit the Archmage's Tower at
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html

[darkstar]

Aleksei Andrievski wrote:
>
> >hahahahaha. A little guilder and a couples of friends can muster 200 units.
> >Roesone, Boeruine, Talanie, Avanil, Ghoere, Mhoried, Tuornen, Dhoesone,
> >Tuarhievel, Baruk-Azhik, Endier, Ilien and Gorgon's crown have only 163
> >unit together!!!!!!
> >
> >How can you do best????
> >
> Actually, he has a point. Why didn't you guys conquer Gorgon's Crown yet?
> Now, it's probably beneath your notice, but you'd be doing a public service
> to all Cerilia. Think about it - free publicity...

I was wondering the same thing. They would lose of course, even with 200
units. But it would be more worthwhile venture for good regents instead
of expanding their domains by force.

- --
Ian Hoskins

e-Mail: hoss@box.net.au
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[James Ruhland]

> >
> Actually, he has a point. Why didn't you guys conquer Gorgon's Crown yet?
> Now, it's probably beneath your notice, but you'd be doing a public
service
> to all Cerilia. Think about it - free publicity...
>
I don't think we could take the Gorgon. See, as I tried to point out in
the "Grand Strategy vs Politics" posts, there is MUCH more to this game
than "just" massing all the units you can and marching off like Napoleon.
Good ol' Napie is actually a excellent example. Could generally crush
anyone on the battlefield, but geopolitically/diplomatically et al, his
leadership left something to be desired.
The Big 'G' also has loads of nifty junk just waiting for anyone stupid
enough to try to follow in mikie's footsteps.
Don't underestimate The Big 'G', dudes.

[James Ruhland]

>
> I was wondering the same thing. They would lose of course, even with 200
> units. But it would be more worthwhile venture for good regents instead
> of expanding their domains by force.
>
Hey! Last I saw we were being invaded by a ruthless Iron Horde! Talk about
expanding your domains by force. *G*

[Shade]

At 11:25 AM 5/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>> I was wondering the same thing. They would lose of course, even with 200
>> units. But it would be more worthwhile venture for good regents instead
>> of expanding their domains by force.
>>
>Hey! Last I saw we were being invaded by a ruthless Iron Horde! Talk about
>expanding your domains by force. *G*

How would they lose? The Gorgon only has 30 units. And I don't think he has
any trade routes.

[James Ruhland]

>
> How would they lose? The Gorgon only has 30 units. And I don't think he
has
> any trade routes.
>
heh! little do you know. The Big 'G' has way more than 30 units in this
game. And as I pointed out before, it'll take more than raw recruits to
beat the G.

Rookie.

[Clayton F. Hinton]

>>
>heh! little do you know. The Big 'G' has way more than 30 units in this
>game. And as I pointed out before, it'll take more than raw recruits to
>beat the G.
>
Depending on the campaign, the Gorgon could very well also have a HUGE (and
I mean HUGE) stockpile of gold bars stored up for his bid for the Iron
Throne. 30 companies is just his standing army, so that he can save cash.
Besides that, he can also summon hordes of undead, and has loyal allies to
boot. If you want to mess with him, you'd better be more prepared than
Emperor Mike was, and he had the whole of Anuire behind him!


- -Clay Hinton
chinton@mail.utexas.edu