Domain Turns: Regents and Lieu

[Clayton F. Hinton]

At 08:22 PM 5/23/98 EDT, you wrote:
> Hey guys, if you want to allow regents to make other regents luitenents
>then do it. Rules be damned!!


I think our point is, using a Regent for a liutenant action is not
efficient. If they are your vassal, and you are in a conflict with another
regent or group of regents, every action counts. Forcing your vassal to
use one of their actions for your inferior liutenant actions, when any
non-regent liutenant could do the same thing, is poor planning. I don't
see anywhere in the rules that actually prevents a regent from being a
liutenant, but like I said why would you want them to be?

- -Clay Hinton
chinton@mail.utexas.edu

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[DavTyr]

Not to be rude, but you missed my point completely. That is that if the
GM says that it is OK, you can have a regent as a luitenent, (ie a preist
regent w/no law but lots of temple holdings all over the place, or a Guilder
w/only guild holdings), both of you getting your full actions and possibly an
extra action that the luitenent takes on in the name of and at the expense of
his lord. In this way you can actually get an extra action out of the
marriage. I would only allow this if both the characters in question were
PC's and then only if the character to become the luitenent did not have any
law holdings out side of the regents territories(other types of holdings would
be allowable). Basically it would make the luitenent a Duke in another mans
kingdom, he would be able to take alot of action in his own realm of influence
but would have limited powers outside of his dukedom, except when the king
entrusted him with certain missions. Remember, the whole point of the game is
to have fun, in the grand scheme of things, This doesn't change anything about
the game as long as both of the characters are PC's. Because a regent would
still have that Luitenent action no matter what, & entrusting the action &
your gold to a PC may ensure its success, but you never know for sure what
kind of deal another PC might cook up for themself.

Davalon Tyr
Arch Preist of the circle of set

[Clayton F. Hinton]

At 02:47 PM 5/24/98 EDT, you wrote:
> Not to be rude, but you missed my point completely. That is that if the
>GM says that it is OK, you can have a regent as a luitenent, (ie a preist
>regent w/no law but lots of temple holdings all over the place, or a Guilder
>w/only guild holdings), both of you getting your full actions and possibly an
>extra action that the luitenent takes on in the name of and at the expense of
>his lord.

I, too am not trying to be rude. But here, I must disagree. The spirit of
the rules, in my opinion, would definatly not allow for a character to
perform 4 actions in one turn (without magic...), even if one of them was
in the name of another regent as a liutenant action. For one, it's
arguable that being used as a liutenant would use up ALL of the turn's
actions by a character (afer all, a lt. can onl perform one action in a 3
month period). At the very minimum, it should take up one of the
regent-liutenant's three actions for the turn.

As for having fun, I agree that that is what it's all about. I, however,
do not have fun when clear rules like the domain actions rules are violated
and/or changed on a whim, so this style of play is not for me. The rules
already have a great way to incorporate having Vassals who are regents, and
this is how I would expect my GM to handle this situation unless he made it
clear otherwise before the game progressed to far.

The reason I am so big on staying within the framework the rules provide in
the domain turns, is because those rules define many fundamental aspects of
the Birthright campaign. If any character is allowed a 4th action, when
does that action occur? How do all the PC's get together to go on an
adventure? Can the regent-liutenant spend his own regency to effect the
dice on a 4th action? If so, then this is clearly superior to a standard
Liutenant who is not a regent, even though the non-regent Liutenant has 3
months solid to spend on the action and the regent has, well, no time at
all.

- -Clay Hinton
chinton@mail.utexas.edu