Elves, Dwarves and Orogs oh my.

[Bearcat]

> I'd like to hear some thought on goblins to be specific as my players
>who are based in Roesone will soon be exploring the Goblin Tower. I am
>trying to come up with names for the different varities of the goblins
>other then small, average and huge. I have considerd using some of the
>unseeelie fairies from celtic and welsh cycles and myth but haven't
>found anything that really sings to me. I also am looking for some
>inttersesting cultural bits to through in. SI if any of you want to
>trun your creative minds in that direction for a few moments and fire
>off a couple of thoughts it would be most apprecative.


How about tikmiris(tick-MEE-REECE), miris, and
chockmiris(chalk-MEE-REECE)(little people, people, big people) or tikmutzis,
mutzis(moo-TSEECE), and chockmutzis (little us, us and big us)?
I you're wondering, these words come from the goblin "dictionary"
that is present on my web page. It includes grammar and pronunciation rules
as well as roughly 250 words. Address, as always, in the signiture.

Bearcat
lcgm@elogica.com.br
Come visit Bearcat's Birthright Homepage at:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/6204

[Gary V. Foss]

> At the moment I see the goblins as something like the old TV series
> klingons. they have a sense of honor but it only applies to those who
> are strong enough to earn thier respect they will lie cheat and steal
> from those weaker then they are and not consider it to be dishonorable
> behavior. I realise this isn't an earth shattering thought or anything
> I just thought I'd throw that out as my current starting point.

I'd go with the Klingon analogy as far as the "survival of the fittest" philosophy
goes, but I'd make them more degenerate and greedy. (And less inclinded to wearing
glittery clothes.) RW analogies leap to mind, but I'm going to refrain for fear of
offending someone, so how about the Ferrengi (SP?) on ST:TNG or Tolkien's orcs?

- -Gary

[Rasmus Juul Wagner]

Kyle Foster wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I've noticed we spend alot of time discussing the virtues and faults of
> elves but we really bring up any of the other races and the Cerillian
> version of them which is always slightly different then the convetional
> AD&D version.
>
> I'd like to hear some thought on goblins to be specific as my players
> who are based in Roesone will soon be exploring the Goblin Tower. I am
> trying to come up with names for the different varities of the goblins
> other then small, average and huge. I have considerd using some of the
> unseeelie fairies from celtic and welsh cycles and myth but haven't
> found anything that really sings to me. I also am looking for some
> inttersesting cultural bits to through in. SI if any of you want to
> trun your creative minds in that direction for a few moments and fire
> off a couple of thoughts it would be most apprecative.

I think BR is brilliant in seeing Goblins as a race, rather than a
monster. Of course, they should have backed it up with rules in the main
book. I also think the exact situation of a lone goblin in human lands
needs to be treated. Is he despised and killed, or merely despised and
harassed, or merely despised?


>
> At the moment I see the goblins as something like the old TV series
> klingons. they have a sense of honor but it only applies to those who
> are strong enough to earn thier respect they will lie cheat and steal
> from those weaker then they are and not consider it to be dishonorable
> behavior. I realise this isn't an earth shattering thought or anything
> I just thought I'd throw that out as my current starting point.

My view of goblins cast them as completely without honor. Goblins
refrain from doing whatever they want only out of fear of the
consequences. I do, however, see them as fiercely loyal to the goblin
race, specifically the survival of women and children.


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Rasmus Juul Wagner
Technical University of Denmark
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[DKEvermore]

In a message dated 98-05-19 12:41:26 EDT, you write:

> My view of goblins cast them as completely without honor. Goblins
> refrain from doing whatever they want only out of fear of the
> consequences. I do, however, see them as fiercely loyal to the goblin
> race, specifically the survival of women and children.

I agree. In fact they might have a deep-seated form of nationalism from
waaaay back in the days that they rebelled and fought their way free from
elven slavery (according to the timelines). Maybe someone with a little time
on there hands could send in a Player's Secrets for one of the Goblin domains
to Dragon magazine... hmmmmmm....

- -DKE

[Kyle Foster]

Hello all,

I've noticed we spend alot of time discussing the virtues and faults of
elves but we really bring up any of the other races and the Cerillian
version of them which is always slightly different then the convetional
AD&D version.

I'd like to hear some thought on goblins to be specific as my players
who are based in Roesone will soon be exploring the Goblin Tower. I am
trying to come up with names for the different varities of the goblins
other then small, average and huge. I have considerd using some of the
unseeelie fairies from celtic and welsh cycles and myth but haven't
found anything that really sings to me. I also am looking for some
inttersesting cultural bits to through in. SI if any of you want to
trun your creative minds in that direction for a few moments and fire
off a couple of thoughts it would be most apprecative.

At the moment I see the goblins as something like the old TV series
klingons. they have a sense of honor but it only applies to those who
are strong enough to earn thier respect they will lie cheat and steal
from those weaker then they are and not consider it to be dishonorable
behavior. I realise this isn't an earth shattering thought or anything
I just thought I'd throw that out as my current starting point.

Thanks,
Kyle
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I'd risk it all to have wings,
I know if I try I'll get where I'm going
keeping my eyes on the sky"
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