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05-05-1998, 03:48 PM #1John M. BakerGuest
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Hm, well, I still haven't heard about strategy discussions, but these
questions about bloodlines have come up:
A person can lose blood strength by being a poor ruler. (Regency loss) Are
there any ways to increase blood strength outside spending lots of RPs
(the normal "spend RP" method) or bloodtheft?
Can an unblooded person commit bloodtheft of a blooded person?
Can a person's strength rating (tainted, minor, major, great, true) ever
change? Does this rating really mean anything?
When is it really wise for a ruler to spend a bunch of RP for a 1 point
rise in blood strength?
John Baker
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05-05-1998, 04:24 PM #2Gary V. FossGuest
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John M. Baker wrote:
> Hm, well, I still haven't heard about strategy discussions, but these
> questions about bloodlines have come up:
>
> A person can lose blood strength by being a poor ruler. (Regency loss) Are
> there any ways to increase blood strength outside spending lots of RPs
> (the normal "spend RP" method) or bloodtheft?
An Investiture spell is the only other way I can think of. I guess you could
role-play some kind of bloodline strengthening adventure....
> Can an unblooded person commit bloodtheft of a blooded person?
I haven't seen any actual rules for this, though there are several examples of
it being done by various creatures who became awnsheighlien. I seem to
remember reading that one fella (the Ogre, I think) had his "latent" bloodline
sparked into existence after committing an inadvertant act of bloodtheft.
> Can a person's strength rating (tainted, minor, major, great, true) ever
> change? Does this rating really mean anything?
This was a subject of debate on a previous thread. Personally, I don't see
much point in the strength rating description. After rolling up the character
it becomes kind of useless. Theoretically, a character with a tainted
bloodline could raise it to 99 after years of playing right? If you think
changing the bloodline strength to a higher level makes sense than I'd go ahead
and do it.
> When is it really wise for a ruler to spend a bunch of RP for a 1 point
> rise in blood strength?
Hmm. Whenever there are enough available I suppose. This is really dependant
on the campaign. Rulers of different size realms require a larger pool over
RPs to back them up. If the ruler has a particularly low bloodline, I think
they should spend RPs pretty quickly to get it up to some level where they have
some chance of competing with more powerfully blooded regents.
- -Gary
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05-05-1998, 04:31 PM #3Eric DunnGuest
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At 11:48 AM 5/5/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hm, well, I still haven't heard about strategy discussions, but these
>questions about bloodlines have come up:
>
>A person can lose blood strength by being a poor ruler. (Regency loss) Are
>there any ways to increase blood strength outside spending lots of RPs
>(the normal "spend RP" method) or bloodtheft?
Not that I've heard. Good question though... would some kind of heroic
stand--say a one on one fight with an Awnshie, possibly even killing
one--but not doing a bloodtheft--might that increase it? Might the land
decide that this person DESERVES an increase? How about a mighty defense
of one's realm? Since poor leadership/rulership decreases--what about an
increase?
Excellent food for thought, Mr. Baker.
(btw, my perusal of the rules about your following question, caused me to
stumble across this reference, page 30, 2nd paragraph of the
"Rulebook"--this passage is speaking when a regent has had children
and..well, it rather speaks for itself, "This altruistic act normally
occurs when a parent has gone on great conquests and gained honor after the
birth of a child, and wished to pass the stronger bloodline to his
offspring rather than allowing his powers to disappear upon his death." In
an obscure way, it implies that a BL CAN indeed be raised--and it doesn't
mention bloodtheft, or BL raising by spending RP's.--go figure)
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>Can an unblooded person commit bloodtheft of a blooded person?
I've wondered about that myself. The rules seem rather unclear on that
score.
Another reference: (page 31, the "Rulebook") "If a blooded character dies a
natural death or perishes at the hand of a commoner, his bloodline is
unaffected, and all his bloodline characteristics die with him." It goes
on to say --"If a scion or regent dies as a result of another blooded
character piercing him through the heart, the victim's heir assumes his
domain, but the victim's Regency Points are lost." Yadda yadda, the slayer
get's BP's, etc.
This last passage would seem to preclude the possibility of bloodtheft by
an unblooded character, much as I don't like it. Guess you have to keep the
commoner's in line somehow, right?
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>Can a person's strength rating (tainted, minor, major, great, true) ever
>change? Does this rating really mean anything?
I would say that as BL increases, the rating does increase, since it's
really just an adjective used to describe the strength. Obviously someone
with a BL of 100 doesn't have a "tainted" BL, though it may have started
there. To keep it simple, use the "d100" column to figure the strength--at
26 they're minor, at 66-Major, and 96-Great.
>When is it really wise for a ruler to spend a bunch of RP for a 1 point
>rise in blood strength?
When they've got an extremely low BL score, or if they're near another
ability roll. For me, it depends on what stage of the game we're in. If
I've got a mid 30's Bl, what BR game is going to go to 35 turns? Since my
breakeven point on the _gain_ on RP's would be 35 turns from when I
increase my score (assuming I had a 34, for example).
E
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05-05-1998, 06:13 PM #4tipharethGuest
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>Can an unblooded person commit bloodtheft of a blooded person?
no.
>Can a person's strength rating (tainted, minor, major, great, true) ever
>change? Does this rating really mean anything?
heh.. this was one of my big mass of questions [forthcoming]. i know
exactly why you're asking it too. :)
anyways, i'll answer this as best i can. no, it doesn't change, and it's
only really useful to determine initial strength. the only other thing it
does is affect the maximum number of henchmen a player can get; a minor
bloodline means your charisma(/leadership) is counted as if it was 1 higher
for henchmen, major means 2, and great means 3. they don't give a value for
true, because there's no way to *have* a true bloodline.
i know the rulebook says you can 'discover a true heritage later' or
whatever it says, but doesn't offer any rules for changing strength.
besides, since your strength category doesn't limit your actual strength
(hydra has minor, 49 or something, and boeruine has major, 60), it doesn't
really matter. does it? :)
cheers
- -nick
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05-05-1998, 06:34 PM #5TriztGuest
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On 05-May-98, Gary V. Foss (GeeMan@linkline.com) wrote about Re: [BIRTHRIGHT]
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- ->> Can an unblooded person commit bloodtheft of a blooded person?
- ->I haven't seen any actual rules for this, though there are several examples
of
- ->it being done by various creatures who became awnsheighlien. I seem to
- ->remember reading that one fella (the Ogre, I think) had his "latent"
bloodline
- ->sparked into existence after committing an inadvertant act of bloodtheft.
This is based on that the original awnsheighlien desides that the slyer will
inherit his/her bloodline. What better curse than let your slyer become what
he/she had come to destroy :)
//Trizt of Ward^RITE
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05-05-1998, 10:31 PM #6mg26Guest
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On Tue, 05 May 1998 14:13:31 -0400 tiphareth
wrote:
> >Can an unblooded person commit bloodtheft of a blooded person?
yes with a blood silver weapon ,I would rule , all other
means are useless
> >Can a person's strength rating (tainted, minor, major, great, true) ever
> >change? Does this rating really mean anything?
well the rating means how close to the gods in mount
Deismar your ancestor were , so no you cant but , I should
think that what happens is one that is married eg Anduiras
90 Tainted marry Anduiras 20 Great , then their offspring
will be Anduiras 55 Major , so I should think that if you
are lucky enough get the Child of Boerune & Avan marry and
have a kid and Voila there you have a true blood line (and
of course a new emperor)
But do you think that they could pul it of?
ciao
Giovanni Garzelli
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05-06-1998, 03:51 PM #7Trankel Al KerGuest
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At 03:41 PM 6/05/98 -0700, Gary V. Foss wrote:
>Trizt wrote:
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>> This is based on that the original awnsheighlien desides that the slyer
will
>> inherit his/her bloodline. What better curse than let your slyer become
what
>> he/she had come to destroy :)
>
>The awnsheghlien DECIDES that his/her slayer will inherit his/her
bloodline? I've
>never heard of this.
Perphas that's a part of the "invulnerability" conditions.. =)
Trankel Al Ker
Lord of the Brotherhood of the Black Tulipan
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05-06-1998, 09:28 PM #8bloebick@juno.com (BenjaGuest
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Well, these are going to be short, because I've got 126 emails in my box,
and don't have time for long responses. So, here's my opinion on the
following questions:
On Tue, 05 May 1998 11:48:13 -0400 "John M. Baker"
writes:
>Hm, well, I still haven't heard about strategy discussions, but these
>questions about bloodlines have come up:
>
>A person can lose blood strength by being a poor ruler. (Regency loss)
>Are
>there any ways to increase blood strength outside spending lots of RPs
>(the normal "spend RP" method) or bloodtheft?
No.
>Can an unblooded person commit bloodtheft of a blooded person?
No.
>
>Can a person's strength rating (tainted, minor, major, great, true)
>ever
>change? Does this rating really mean anything?
No, and No.
>
>When is it really wise for a ruler to spend a bunch of RP for a 1
>point
>rise in blood strength?
When the regent has a bloodline less than 1/2 the domain power.
>
>John Baker
>
>
Benjamin
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05-06-1998, 10:41 PM #9Gary V. FossGuest
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Trizt wrote:
> This is based on that the original awnsheighlien desides that the slyer will
> inherit his/her bloodline. What better curse than let your slyer become what
> he/she had come to destroy :)
The awnsheghlien DECIDES that his/her slayer will inherit his/her bloodline? I've
never heard of this.
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