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  1. #1
    Jonathan Picklesimer
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    Temple Cooperation

    On Mon, 4 May 1998, The Olesen's wrote:

    > Suppose the regent wanted to sponsor both temples, would they cooperate?
    >
    > I guess that two temples devoted to Haelyn wouldn't
    > But what about the Impregnible Heart of Haelyn and Ruonil's Celestial
    > Spell?

    Going back to Mr. Ruhland's post, for the gold and for the prestige, yes I
    am sure that they could and would gladly cooperate. Rournil's temple
    holdings are typcially rather small, and his priests are often found as
    advisors in courts where Rournil is not honored as the chief god of the
    regent. I could see them agreeing to work together. I could also see a
    fair philosophy/political science/history team shaping up. Both gods
    would have an intrest in the past and in poli sci, who won wars, why,
    strategy, tactics, the impact of wars and expansionism on nature; as well
    as philosphy, why war, who has won, what impact does political reality
    play on the land and her people, which is more important, the expansion of
    the realm or the maintenance of the land. I really think that they could
    come up with enough common ground of intrest to do OK.

    I think that with Rournil's priesthood you can gain a wide variety and
    balance as far as intrests are concern. I think that Andurias' priesthood
    would be focused very tightly on history, poli sci, contemporary history,
    diplomacy, military history, and a few technical fields - physics,
    mechanics in particular, and chemistry for the development of better
    weapons. I think that if I were a regent opening a university I would
    definitely want to invite a priest of Avani, or someone from Ariya trained
    in philosophy and mathematics. I may even go so far as to offer the
    temple of Avani a holding 0 in partial exchange for their services. Then
    again, it all depends on how politically yucky things were at the moment.

    Being that part of his holdings extend into Medoere, you may have a
    problem with cooperation. The Celestial Spell is a bit aggressive, and
    from what I remember, a little xenophobic as well. Medoere is a
    theocracy, which can easily produce any number of fanatics at any point in
    time. If I were your regent, I would keep a sharp eye out for that
    fanaticism. Cooperating with neighbors from Ilien may not be so bad, but
    bringing in a Khinasi heretic who cannot speak a decent language like
    Annurean in a way that the rest of us can understand may be unforgivable.

    Try not to interpret things in your frame of reference. Think about how
    you would react if you never met someone from another country in your
    life. People are basically scared to death of change. Foreign view
    points are good for a university. The people won't understand, and may
    even feal threatened, but to have a good representation of ideas, you have
    to have the foreign view points - whether foreign people or foreign
    religions.

    Sorry for rambling.

    Jonathan

  2. #2
    The Olesen`s
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    Temple Cooperation

    THis came to mind after reading someone's post about my university and
    the involvement of temples. (Sorry, I forget who you were)

    Obviously most temples would like to gain some influence this way, and
    would try to gain the regent's favor whatevery way possible.

    Suppose the regent wanted to sponsor both temples, would they cooperate?

    I guess that two temples devoted to Haelyn wouldn't
    But what about the Impregnible Heart of Haelyn and Ruonil's Celestial
    Spell?

    (These are of primary concern since the regent controls a domain
    encompassing Ilien and Medeore with a sprinkling of guilds. And yes, he
    is a thief.)

    - ------------Ah here is the post that sparked the question-------------

    From:
    Jonathan Picklesimer
    Reply-To:
    birthright@MPGN.COM
    To:
    birthright@MPGN.COM


    Another small point about your university that I had forgotten.

    In the middle ages the universities had a very strong theological
    component. This made sense in light of the fact taht many were studying
    science and history in order to better understand God and the universe.
    It also made sense in light of the fact that the church had access to
    vast
    bodies of knowledge and her clergy were, mostly, literate - i.e. they
    could read Latin. So the clergy was a natural place to find literate
    teachers with a desire to ask and answer questions.

    So, one of the local churches may help sponsor the university. They may
    have members of the clergy who are quite learned and interested in
    helping
    out. It is also a way for these clergymen to gain access to new
    converts.
    The church of Avani and of Rournil both should have some pretty serious
    academic types. Avani's clergy would be interested in mathematics,
    and philosophy (see the Cities of the Sun expansion and the Ariya
    DSB). Rournil's clergy would be happy to discuss the mysteries of
    meighval, as well as religion, philosophy, and geography. Clergy from
    the
    temples of Eric, the god of nature, would be good biology/chemistry type
    folks. Cuiracen and Andurias clergy may be interested in political
    science, contemporary histroy, ancient history, and physics. Eleole and
    Sera may be interested in business, economics, early psychology
    issues, government, and law. Nesirie's clergy may be
    interested in mathematics, ancient history, astronomy, physics,
    oceanography, and geography. Belenik and Kreishna? Hard to say. I
    don't
    see there being too many academic types in these harsh religions. If
    there were, I could see the nature of magic, social policy and law,
    meteorology, biology, and medicine/anatomy (all the more effective to
    kill
    you with).

    Goodness knows there would be some lively debate going on between
    Nesiere and Andurias on history -- the god of Lawful War and the goddess
    of Mourning would probably see differently on several of the past
    events.
    You should have enough different views of the catastrophe at Desimaar to
    fill a library by itself. I think that Ariya and possibly Khourane have
    done quite a bit of work on mathematics.

    Also, as a side view, many times the only place to study the sciences
    and
    engineering were at military schools. Evariste Galois, a brilliant
    young
    French mathematician, was never able to get his PhD in Mathematics
    because
    he could not get into the Military Academy - an attitude problem.

    jsp

  3. #3
    James Ruhland
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    Temple Cooperation

    >
    > Suppose the regent wanted to sponsor both temples, would they cooperate?
    >
    Depends on what you mean by "cooperate", I suppose. Cooperate in accepting
    the Regent's "sponsorship" (I.E. taking his gold and patronage)? Perhaps.
    Cooperate to the extent of helping defend the realm in question (assuming
    appropriately successful diplomacy occured)? Quite possibly.
    Cooperate to the extent of not Contesting each other's Holdings in a given
    area (I.E. trying to expand at the expense of other faiths, rather than
    each other)? On a temporary basis (and here it is more likely that churches
    of, say, Nesirie and Cuiraecen would cooperate in such a fashion, since it
    is a question of "mother and son" or Haelyn and Nesirie, since it is
    "husband and wife". . .but even this is no guarantee: high-stakes
    antagonism and vendettas against each other are still. . .not uncommon [to
    put it mildly].)
    Anyhow, thouse are a few examples. If I had a better idea of the type of
    cooperation you were considering, it would be easier to say whether it
    would happen.

  4. #4
    The Olesen`s
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    Temple Cooperation

    James Ruhland wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > Suppose the regent wanted to sponsor both temples, would they cooperate?
    > >
    > Depends on what you mean by "cooperate", I suppose. Cooperate in accepting
    > the Regent's "sponsorship" (I.E. taking his gold and patronage)? Perhaps.
    > Cooperate to the extent of helping defend the realm in question (assuming
    > appropriately successful diplomacy occured)? Quite possibly.
    > Cooperate to the extent of not Contesting each other's Holdings in a given
    > area (I.E. trying to expand at the expense of other faiths, rather than
    > each other)? On a temporary basis (and here it is more likely that churches
    > of, say, Nesirie and Cuiraecen would cooperate in such a fashion, since it
    > is a question of "mother and son" or Haelyn and Nesirie, since it is
    > "husband and wife". . .but even this is no guarantee: high-stakes
    > antagonism and vendettas against each other are still. . .not uncommon [to
    > put it mildly].)
    > Anyhow, thouse are a few examples. If I had a better idea of the type of
    > cooperation you were considering, it would be easier to say whether it
    > would happen.

    I was thinking about cooperating in the university thing. Both faiths
    contributing "profesors" and knowlage to the "university"

    Sort of.

  5. #5
    Gary V. Foss
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    Temple Cooperation

    Jonathan Picklesimer wrote:

    > Try not to interpret things in your frame of reference. Think about how
    > you would react if you never met someone from another country in your
    > life. People are basically scared to death of change. Foreign view
    > points are good for a university. The people won't understand, and may
    > even feal threatened, but to have a good representation of ideas, you have
    > to have the foreign view points - whether foreign people or foreign
    > religions.

    One thought occurs to me on the subject of universities in BR.... It seems
    like just about every week I flip on the TV and see a mob of unruly college
    students in one country or another tossing rocks or Molotov cocktails at a
    phalanx of helmeted riot police. They turn over cars and break store front
    windows, all in protest against the establishment, baby! College students are
    often an unruly lot. Whether they are protesting for political rights,
    economic rights, or beer drinking on campus rights is pretty much academic to
    the ruler, eh? From his/her point of view they are just a mob. Building a
    university would be a good thing in the long term, but in the many short terms
    that add up to a long term, it could be quite a pain in the diploma.

    Think about the campus protesting should a country get embroiled in a war....
    "Baator no! We won't go!" doesn't make much of a chant, but what the hell?

    On the other hand, that makes for a really cool role-playing opportunity, huh?

    - -Gary

  6. #6
    James Ruhland
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    Temple Cooperation

    >
    > I was thinking about cooperating in the university thing. Both faiths
    > contributing "profesors" and knowlage to the "university"
    >
    > Sort of.
    >
    OH, that. Sure. I see no problem with cooperating in an academic setting.

    Of course, it brings to mind an old uni joke:

    "Why are campus politics so vicious?"

    "because the stakes are so small."

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