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  1. #1
    Victor
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    [birthright]

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    Are there named provinces in the the domain Harrowmarsh?
    Does anyone have tables to (Randomly?) calculate Provincial Popoulation =
    based upon Province Population levels.
    I have an extra Player's Secrets of Taline...(bought two by =
    mistake)...that Iam willing to give away, send email.

    Victor
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    Are there named provinces in the the domain=20
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    Does anyone have tables to (Randomly?) calculate =
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    Popoulation based upon Province Population levels.
    I have an extra Player's Secrets of Taline...(bought =
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    mistake)...that Iam willing to give away, send email.
     
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  2. #2
    Ryan B. Caveney
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    On Mon, 4 May 1998, Victor wrote:

    > Are there named provinces in the the domain Harrowmarsh?

    No. The "Blood Enemies" book, in its entry on the Hydra, states:
    "While not a domain, the Hydra's swampy habitat is large enough that
    someone could conquer it and claim it as a domain; few, however, wish to
    fight for a swamp infested with insects, criminals, and awnsheghlien."
    (page 43) Creating named provinces in the Harrowmarsh (finally -- a use
    for the Create Province action!) would require a sizable amount of
    leg work to clear the way, and could make a focus for an entire (and
    very damp) adventure-centered Birthright campaign.

    > Does anyone have tables to (Randomly?) calculate Provincial Popoulation
    > based upon Province Population levels.

    I drew up one some time ago, based on the ranges given in the
    Birthright Rulebook on pages 33-34:

    Level 0 provinces have less than 1,000 people.
    Level 1-3 provinces have between 2,000 and 10,000 people.
    Level 4-6 provinces have between 10,000 and 40,000 people.
    Level 7+ provinces may have as many as 100,000 people.

    For the sake of being definite, I picked:

    Level Population
    0 500
    1 2,000
    2 4,000
    3 8,000
    4 15,000
    5 25,000
    6 35,000
    7 50,000
    8 65,000
    9 80,000
    10 100,000

    If you wanted to randomize it, I would suggest varying by 4d6 - 14 percent
    (this gives a mostly-normally distributed range of +/- 10%) from whatever
    base values you use.


    - --Ryan

  3. #3
    David Sean Brown
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    [birthright]

    More info for all (asked about the no BR products this year while on
    the Greyhawk list)...

    >On a completely un-Greyhawk related line, I can't help but notice the Q4
    >product summary does NOT contain any Birthright products as previously
    >indicated (or at the very least hinted at) on the BR list...any
    indication
    >of things never to come again?

    I'm not on the BR list and don't know what hints you're referring to. I
    do know that we don't have any plans to release any new BR products this
    year.

    - - Sean

    Sean K Reynolds
    Roleplaying R&D, Wizards of the Coast | skreyn@wizards.com
    Check out the Dragon Dice demo/tournament program at
    http://www.tsr.com/DragonDice/ddtournament.html

  4. #4
    Olesens
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    [birthright]

    David Sean Brown wrote:

    > More info for all (asked about the no BR products this year while on
    > the Greyhawk list)...
    >
    > >On a completely un-Greyhawk related line, I can't help but notice the Q4
    > >product summary does NOT contain any Birthright products as previously
    > >indicated (or at the very least hinted at) on the BR list...any
    > indication
    > >of things never to come again?
    >
    > I'm not on the BR list and don't know what hints you're referring to. I
    > do know that we don't have any plans to release any new BR products this
    > year.
    >
    > - Sean

    Any inside info on what the people who decide these things are doing about BR?

  5. #5
    David Sean Brown
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    [birthright]

    > > I'm not on the BR list and don't know what hints you're referring to. I
    > > do know that we don't have any plans to release any new BR products this
    > > year.
    > >
    > > - Sean
    >
    > Any inside info on what the people who decide these things are doing about BR?
    Still awaiting info..

    Sean

  6. #6
    Brian Stoner
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    [birthright]

    I was on TSR's chat site a week or so ago and asked that question point blank to
    "TSRStan"...his real name escapes me at the moment, but those who visit the site
    regularly have probably seen him now and then. And for those that don't visit the
    site, he is an employee at TSR..and in the know. Anyway, he responded that there
    are no plans currently to resurrect BR. The company wants to concentrate on its
    core lines..especially after the troubles of the last few years. However, he did
    say that there were a lot of BR fans at the company so it may happen someday. He
    seemed upbeat, but the near future is not looking good. Keep your fingers
    crossed.

    Dearnen

    ...I just wish I could remember his real name to add validity to my post...

    Olesens wrote:

    > David Sean Brown wrote:
    >
    > > More info for all (asked about the no BR products this year while on
    > > the Greyhawk list)...
    > >
    > > >On a completely un-Greyhawk related line, I can't help but notice the Q4
    > > >product summary does NOT contain any Birthright products as previously
    > > >indicated (or at the very least hinted at) on the BR list...any
    > > indication
    > > >of things never to come again?
    > >
    > > I'm not on the BR list and don't know what hints you're referring to. I
    > > do know that we don't have any plans to release any new BR products this
    > > year.
    > >
    > > - Sean
    >
    > Any inside info on what the people who decide these things are doing about BR?
    >
    > ************************************************** *************************
    > > 'unsubscribe birthright' as the body of the message.

  7. #7
    Sidhain
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    [birthright]

    > Now, being in my middle twenties, my group is mostly the same age.
    >Among them, two of them started with AD&D. The others having started with
    >Palladium, because their dad had said no to AD&D, but allowed Heroes
    >Unlimited... Needless to say, they were AD&D prejudice and called it a
    >prehistoric system... (by this time they were into character points systems
    >and what not... all of which I think takes the gambling aspect out of the
    >game). When I it was my turn to GM, I elected to haul out AD&D and forced
    >them to actualy read it. I also made them read the BR book. Needless to
    >say, we all enjoyed the game, and it ending in a spectacular war between
    the
    >two dominant playes.
    > Where am I headed with this? Well that is a good question. What I
    >am saying is the Birthright series has two strikes against it. One is
    >ignorant word of mouth. Somehow the majority of people who have heard of BR
    >but not picked up a copy is because they heard it was complicated and a bad
    >world. Both untrue. And the second is that it has the AD&D stigma
    attached.
    >The advanced gamers it needs, and who would enjoy it, avoid it because they
    >avoid AD&D. These strikes helped to drive it out of the market before it
    had
    >a chance to fully achieve its recognition. All I can say is keep playing
    it.
    >Spread it to all you meet. Word of mouth can be a poweful thing. If the
    >right ears, hear the right thing at the right time, then it can be very
    >effective.



    Just a note I am in my middle-late twenties and I myself have all but
    abandoned AD&D, simply because of its limitations, I utterly despise the
    pedantic Vancian magic system, Birthright is the ONLY reason I have to still
    play AD&D and more and More I am inclined to adapt it to another game
    system. One which allows for "skills" and such. Though admittedly I am more
    inclined to write a game system to fit it rather than the other way around
    (In fact my Fantasy System with My world would probably adapt very very well
    to the setting, as would Ars Magica with a little adaptation) DKEvermore (I
    don't remember your real name sorry) uses Fuzion which is a bit to clumsy
    for my tastes but it might work as well, especially since Fuzion is asking
    for setting writers, if we could convince TSR to sell the setting to the
    guys at Gold Rush Games(and sell Cheaply), we could then get them to employ
    DK , and some of the original authors for a conversion. And for more
    original Material, anyone who plays Superhero games and Champions in
    particular should know the quality of GRG, I mean San Angelo City of Heroes
    was fantastic and I don't even like the Hero System.......
    I still think we might also try and cajole TSR to try and use BIrthright as
    a springboard for an "Alternity Engine" Fantasy game using the Alternity
    Rules.....
    I am sorry I ramble on and on but Birthright is indeed one of the most in
    depth, most I don't know --stunning Campaign world I have ever seen, and the
    fact it was for AD&D sent me into shock...

    But we are the people keeping it Alive, if we can somehow gain the leverage
    needed to pry this from TSR's iron claws (*L* I actually am fond of TSR
    considering some of my favorite products have come from them the only real
    venom I have for them is their treatment of Birthright) then maybe we could
    find it a new home, once this was unheard of but Ars Magica managed 4
    different companies, Talislanta has had 5 or so, Mekton has had 2 and its
    now far more common for games to pass from one company to another.....So who
    do we have to send envoys too? Who do we have to form treaties with?

  8. #8
    Hadricon@aol.co
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    [birthright]

    Hey, Birthright is a scrubbed line. Accept it. I believe some had
    said they lost money on it. Frankly I find it hard to find anyone outside my
    gaming circle locally that even heard of it. Its a clunky rules system that
    has some merits, but unless you are willing to sit down and read the rules
    all the way through, and take the time to play it, the game is just another
    campaign world. You must remember that a gigantic peice of AD&D's market is
    of the younger generations. These are people who like the accessability of
    the game (You can find it in book stores as opposed to other games that can
    only be found in the specialized comic book/hobby stores).
    On AOL, we have a lot of the "younger" (9-14) group who play the
    games in the chat rooms. Most who I have talked to find their RPGs in those
    superstores that sell CDs,Movies,Books, and other things. If you look at the
    majority of games on AOL, it is White Wolf, Star Wars, and AD&D. Why? That
    is exactly what is in that type of store. When I asked several of them about
    the BR game, and those that heard of it complained about the added rules, and
    alluded to the fact they liked the simplicity of AD&D.
    Now, being in my middle twenties, my group is mostly the same age.
    Among them, two of them started with AD&D. The others having started with
    Palladium, because their dad had said no to AD&D, but allowed Heroes
    Unlimited... Needless to say, they were AD&D prejudice and called it a
    prehistoric system... (by this time they were into character points systems
    and what not... all of which I think takes the gambling aspect out of the
    game). When I it was my turn to GM, I elected to haul out AD&D and forced
    them to actualy read it. I also made them read the BR book. Needless to
    say, we all enjoyed the game, and it ending in a spectacular war between the
    two dominant playes.
    Where am I headed with this? Well that is a good question. What I
    am saying is the Birthright series has two strikes against it. One is
    ignorant word of mouth. Somehow the majority of people who have heard of BR
    but not picked up a copy is because they heard it was complicated and a bad
    world. Both untrue. And the second is that it has the AD&D stigma attached.
    The advanced gamers it needs, and who would enjoy it, avoid it because they
    avoid AD&D. These strikes helped to drive it out of the market before it had
    a chance to fully achieve its recognition. All I can say is keep playing it.
    Spread it to all you meet. Word of mouth can be a poweful thing. If the
    right ears, hear the right thing at the right time, then it can be very
    effective. Yet, I would not count on that. I would count on one thing. Its
    dead. Live with that. Of course, I would like to be proved wrong.

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