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    dual-class in birthright

    > That's a tough one. Technically, as I understand it, running a guild
    > holding is not necessarily a thief ability. I believe any class can run a
    > guild holding. Therefor, he would not necessarily lose control of his
    > holdings. However, there might be a rule in the books on this that I'm not
    > familiar with about dual classing regents.
    >
    > Brian

    Anyone can run a guild holding (in fact, any character class can have
    any kind of holdings - although source holdings are both tricky to
    find and rather pointless to non-wizards), but only thieves and
    rangers actually gain RPs for guilds. As for dual class regents, I
    dunno....

    John.

    "Once I was a lamb, playing in a green field. Then
    the wolves came. Now I am an eagle and I fly in a
    different universe."
    "And now you kill the lambs," whispered Dardalion.
    "No, priest. No one pays for lambs."
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  2. #2
    Michael Hamilton
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    dual-class in birthright

    I have a question that I hope some of you seasoned Birthright DM's out
    there can help me with: Can a thief pc dual class to a mage and still
    receive the Regency from all the guild holdings and trade routes that he
    still has control of?

    This may require a little background so here goes...
    The pc is a level 9 thief, and a very profitable one at that, he decides
    that he wishes to dual-class to a mage to increase his personal power.
    The rules in the players handbook state that if he uses any of his old
    abilities until he reaches level 10 would mean no exp. That is fine, he
    likes, he can live with that and agrees to dual-class. Now since he is a
    level 9thief/level 1 mage he can only use the skills and abilities of
    the mage class until level 10. Can he still receive the regency from his
    guilds and such that only thieves are allowed, since he is a thief/mage
    or does he really have to wait til level 10 to suddenly receive regency
    from holdings he has already.

    I hope I have explained this right, hehe.

    I would be very greatful for ant help or advice anyone give offer.

    Thanks

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    James Ruhland
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    dual-class in birthright

    >
    > I have a question that I hope some of you seasoned Birthright DM's out
    > there can help me with: Can a thief pc dual class to a mage and still
    > receive the Regency from all the guild holdings and trade routes that he
    > still has control of?
    >
    In my own opinion, and experience, you only get the RPs once you have
    surpassed your old class and become a "true" Dual-Classed character.
    I.E. your 9th level thief becomes a 1st level Wizard. He can no longer use
    his Thief abilities without penalty in game play (adventures and the like).
    IMO, that also means he doesn't recieve "thief" RPs until he becomes a
    10th level Wizard, and is able to use his thief abilities again without
    penalty.
    If he had planned ahead (saved RPs, worked on getting Sources and a good
    relationship with a 'real' Wizard, etc), then this won't be a drawback. If
    he didn't plan ahead, he's in a world of hurt.
    Sounds like your Thief/Wizard is in a world of hurt.

    > This may require a little background so here goes...
    > The pc is a level 9 thief, and a very profitable one at that, he decides
    > that he wishes to dual-class to a mage to increase his personal power.
    > The rules in the players handbook state that if he uses any of his old
    > abilities until he reaches level 10 would mean no exp. That is fine, he
    > likes, he can live with that and agrees to dual-class. Now since he is a
    > level 9thief/level 1 mage he can only use the skills and abilities of
    > the mage class until level 10. Can he still receive the regency from his
    > guilds and such that only thieves are allowed, since he is a thief/mage
    > or does he really have to wait til level 10 to suddenly receive regency
    > from holdings he has already.
    >
    > I hope I have explained this right, hehe.
    >
    > I would be very greatful for ant help or advice anyone give offer.
    >
    > Thanks
    >
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    James Ruhland
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    dual-class in birthright

    > guild holding. Therefor, he would not necessarily lose control of his
    > holdings.
    >
    Right on this score: he wouldn't loose his Holdings. Any Regent can control
    any type of Holding (including fighters controling sources, though they
    wouldn't get any benifit from them unless they had a Louie to use 'em).
    But he wouldn't get any RPs from 'em, IMO.

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    J. Brian Murphy
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    dual-class in birthright

    At 01:06 PM 4/24/98 PDT, you wrote:
    > I have a question that I hope some of you seasoned Birthright DM's out
    >there can help me with: Can a thief pc dual class to a mage and still
    >receive the Regency from all the guild holdings and trade routes that he
    >still has control of?



    That's a tough one. Technically, as I understand it, running a guild
    holding is not necessarily a thief ability. I believe any class can run a
    guild holding. Therefor, he would not necessarily lose control of his
    holdings. However, there might be a rule in the books on this that I'm not
    familiar with about dual classing regents.

    Brian

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    Trizt
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    dual-class in birthright

    On 24-Apr-98, Michael Hamilton (knolan69@hotmail.com) wrote about [BIRTHRIGHT]
    - - dual-class in birthright:
    - -> I have a question that I hope some of you seasoned Birthright DM's out
    - ->there can help me with: Can a thief pc dual class to a mage and still
    - ->receive the Regency from all the guild holdings and trade routes that he
    - ->still has control of?

    Yes, the dual class character would recive regencypoints like he would have
    been a multiclass character.

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    Trizt
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    dual-class in birthright

    On 24-Apr-98, J. Brian Murphy (brian@x25.net) wrote about Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] -
    dual-class in birthright:

    - ->That's a tough one. Technically, as I understand it, running a guild
    - ->holding is not necessarily a thief ability. I believe any class can run a
    - ->guild holding. Therefor, he would not necessarily lose control of his
    - ->holdings. However, there might be a rule in the books on this that I'm not
    - ->familiar with about dual classing regents.

    The only holding which is classbound is the source holdings (only way for a
    none mage can have source holdings is by inherit them from someone else). Most
    holdings generate money for the owner, even if you don't get regency for them.
    A player who controlls both the Guild and Temple in his domain is guarantied a
    good income.

    //Trizt of Ward^RITE

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    Solarix
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    dual-class in birthright

    If we read between the lines on the info on dual class it states (not exact
    wording) that once his current class is higher then his previous class his
    skills can be combine without penalty or something like that and I think it
    should apply to regency points too

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    The Olesen`s
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    dual-class in birthright

    Solarix wrote:
    >
    > If we read between the lines on the info on dual class it states (not exact
    > wording) that once his current class is higher then his previous class his
    > skills can be combine without penalty or something like that and I think it
    > should apply to regency points too

    Why? THe only reason charachters get penalized for using old skills,
    when lower level, is because they are trying to learn new ways of doing
    things. I don't think there is that much conrtol over the power the
    land that is magnetically (almost) drawn into you. THe rulebook states
    that regents gain RP at the most favorable rating. THis comes from the
    charachter's idea's and feelings that draw the RP (remember that RP is
    only a game term and in BR reality it is just magical power, not like
    money) to him. As long as the charachter follows the idea's and
    feelings of both classes, why not have that power attracted to him (or
    her.) In a case where a PC was trying to totally abolish his old class
    (from himself) or was not folloowing his new class, then they would only
    colloect part.

  10. #10
    Trizt
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    dual-class in birthright

    On 26-Apr-98, Solarix (Solarix@aol.com) wrote about Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] -
    dual-class in birthright:
    - ->If we read between the lines on the info on dual class it states (not exact
    - ->wording) that once his current class is higher then his previous class his
    - ->skills can be combine without penalty or something like that and I think it
    - ->should apply to regency points too

    Master Ed has already told us once that dual classed resivec RP as if they
    would have been multiclass characters, with other words, you get RP for all
    your classes, no penalties for the first class is higher than the second.
    It's like you would have two active Ethernet connection to your computer, via
    both you will get bits, without you want it or not.

    When talking about dualclasses, IMO there should be a limit on how many groups
    you can dual from, like the limitation for multiclass characters, that you
    can't have more than classes from three groups and no two from the same group.
    I hope that the authors of BR materila would follow a such "rule". Not doing
    like in FR, having alot of exceptions, like a human who is a multiclass
    Fighter/Priest/Wizard/Bard. I wouldn't mind if humans would be limited to max
    be dualclass in two classes (something/somthing_else), as thise characters
    would become two powerful if they would be able to dualclass in upto four
    classes, no racial advantiges and multiclass would be half as "powerful" as
    that human. That would unbalance the game, exspecially if there would be a
    such official NPC which happens to be highleveled in all classes.


    //Trizt of Ward^RITE

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