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  1. #1
    Dias Olivier
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    Unblooded regents

    Dandakil Snerd/Obscured wrote:

    > Second, if I was a 10th level commoner fighter, and had recently cut th=
    e
    > head off of (not through the heart) of
    > the existing regent, I would have a lot of respect.
    >=20
    > Third, If the regent I had deposed of was Baron Ghoere, Roesone would h=
    ave
    > to take me seriously.
    >=20
    > Fourth, I would have more alies than Baron Ghoere has at the moment :)
    >=20
    > Thus, there is no reason why a commoner shouldnt be able to be the rule=
    r of
    > a barony as well.
    > True, Birthright is a game for blooded characters, but what about peopl=
    e
    > who dont
    > want to play one?
    >=20
    > --Dan

    (Excuse my english, i'm french)

    If a non Blooded Character takes the Tr=F4ne of Ghoere, i think all the
    neighbors of ghoere will soon try to contest all the holdings of the new
    baron.
    And he can't do anything to prevent his holdings to be invested.
    And if he has no law holdings, he can't tax his provinces very heavy.
    And if he has no much money, he can't have a huge army.
    And if he can't have a Huge army, he is dead, Mhoried, Roesone, Endier
    and Elinie will soon invade him.

    It was "how to destroy Ghoere in 5 lessons" by O.D

  2. #2
    Ian Hoskins
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    Unblooded regents

    On 23-Apr-97, Sean Brown set out across the seas with this message:

    - -> I personally don't recall ever seeing anything about people rather
    - ->being ruled by the Blood of Azrai, and I think I have just about all
    - ->the BR stuff. Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me.

    People ruled by someone of Azrai's blood would not side with a commoner, as
    they would fear what the ruler would do to them if he found out. What about
    the Lamia, her servents are all very happy to serve her....

    - ->Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you on several of your points
    - ->1) Blooded rulers do not gain som magical ability which makes them
    - ->more competent, any more than heredity rulers in our history were
    - ->good rulers because of whose son/daughter they were. Blood doesn't
    - ->make a good ruler..brains do

    I don't think so. Lets take a modern example, Australia. In the last election
    over here people elected a puppet, a clown, the grim reaper, and a bunch of
    fat bastards to power simple because they were members of a certain political
    party, and because the media told them to. It doesn't matter that none of the
    has a clue about ruling.
    The same is true in Birthright, the people will support the ruler, simply
    because he is the ruler. The commoners don't know what sort of man her may be
    one that he is a noble and there for better than them. Throughout history the
    commoners have generally supported the nobility no matter what sort of
    bastards they might be. There have been very few rebellions by commoners that
    have succeeded, I can't think of one in the time period Birthright is set in.


    - ->2) Again, blood doesn't earn you respect, for the most part. Most
    - ->intelligent rulers judge you by your actions. I'd love to have a
    - ->ruler consider my country beneath him because I was an unblooded
    - ->ruler...what a surprise it would be when I showed up on his doorstep
    - ->with 10000 or so of my closest friends, looking to move into a bigger
    - ->place :)

    I don't think an unblooded character would have a chance of rounding up an
    army of 10,000. A hundred or so bandits maybe.

    - ->3) See #2..they may think you would have a hard time ruling because
    - ->you lack certain abilities, but you can accomplish your goals through
    - ->other means (lieutenants, allies, armies, etc)

    But to get armies you would have to rule a kingdom, and to rule a kingdom you
    would have to be blooded. No unblooded ruler is going to survive long. should
    one come to power the other blooded ruler around him would look on his kingdom
    as uncontrolled and move in for the kill.

    - ->4) Smart rulers make smart decisions. If it is in the best interests
    - ->of a ruler to become an ally with the unblooded rulers country (eg
    - ->guild or church looking to expand its territory), I'm sure their lack
    - ->of divine blood won't be a problem

    Unlikely, most rulers would not deal with an unblooded ruler, as they are
    commoners and beneath their station. In any negotiations between a unblooded
    ruler and a blooded one the blooded ruler would treat the unblooded ruler
    accordingly. Of course an unblooded character has to ruler a kingdom first.

    Now lets take an average kingdom, say Roesone. If an unblooded character
    gathered together enough troops to conquer the kingdom, a very unlikely
    occurance, and tried to take power this is what would happen. With no blooded
    ruler on the throne then all of the blooded nobles in the kingdom would see it
    as their right to rule the land, not some commoner. They would raise armies
    and try to kick the commoner out off the throne.
    The church would not support the new ruler and call on the people to throw him
    out. None of the other rulers in the area would look on him as a true ruler
    and begin plotting to capture the kingdom. No one would join the his army as
    he would be seen by the people as unworthy.

    I just don't think an unblooded character has any chance of ruling a kingdom,
    only those with the blood of gods flowing through their veins can rule.

    Well thats what I think anyway.

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    Darkstar

    e-Mail: hoss@box.net.au
    Home Page: http://www.box.net.au/~hoss/index.html
    Page updates: http://www.box.net.au/~hoss/update.html

    From the Darkness we came
    And to the Darkness we must return.

  3. #3
    Ian Hoskins
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    Unblooded regents

    On 23-Apr-97, Dandakil Snerd/Obscured set out across the seas with this
    message:

    - ->First, I am sorry, but even a commoner is more competant than many of the
    - ->regents (see Osoerde, etc.)

    Probably true, but they can be advisors to the regents.

    - ->Second, if I was a 10th level commoner fighter, and had recently cut the
    - ->head off of (not through the heart) of
    - ->the existing regent, I would have a lot of respect.
    - ->Third, If the regent I had deposed of was Baron Ghoere, Roesone would have
    - ->to take me seriously.
    - ->Fourth, I would have more alies than Baron Ghoere has at the moment :)

    More likely you would be looked on as an assasin and be hunted across Anuire
    by relatives of Baron Gavin Tael of Ghoere. His chosen successor would just
    take his place and you would have gained nothing apart from the hatred of all
    the Ghore ruling family, and their consideribly armies.


    - --
    Darkstar

    e-Mail: hoss@box.net.au
    Home Page: http://www.box.net.au/~hoss/index.html
    Page updates: http://www.box.net.au/~hoss/update.html

    From the Darkness we came
    And to the Darkness we must return.

  4. #4
    Cec Stacey
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    Unblooded regents

    >
    > Now lets take an average kingdom, say Roesone. If an unblooded character
    > gathered together enough troops to conquer the kingdom, a very unlikely
    > occurance, and tried to take power this is what would happen. With no
    blooded
    > ruler on the throne then all of the blooded nobles in the kingdom would
    see it
    > as their right to rule the land, not some commoner. They would raise
    armies
    > and try to kick the commoner out off the throne.
    > The church would not support the new ruler and call on the people to
    throw him
    > out. None of the other rulers in the area would look on him as a true
    ruler
    > and begin plotting to capture the kingdom. No one would join the his army
    as
    > he would be seen by the people as unworthy.

    >
    This is the only way that an unblooded would be able to become a ruler.
    But he would not be able to become a "regent" without an investiture, and
    you cannot invest an unblooded. Ergo, he would not control the provinces
    or holdings, and ergo, would not garner RPs for "his" realm.


    > I just don't think an unblooded character has any chance of ruling a
    kingdom,
    > only those with the blood of gods flowing through their veins can rule.
    >
    Exactly. That's the way the game is.
    .

  5. #5
    Sean Brown
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    Unblooded regents

    > -> I personally don't recall ever seeing anything about people rather
    > ->being ruled by the Blood of Azrai, and I think I have just about all
    > ->the BR stuff. Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me.
    >
    > People ruled by someone of Azrai's blood would not side with a commoner, as
    > they would fear what the ruler would do to them if he found out. What about
    > the Lamia, her servents are all very happy to serve her....

    Well, I don't think anyone with free will would want to live and
    serve an evil tyrant. I will admit, the Bansheigh does a good job,
    as does the Siren..I was referring to others like the Raven, the
    Serpent, etc.

    Sean Brown

  6. #6
    PRiley3002@aol.co
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    Unblooded regents

    In a message dated 97-04-23 14:32:37 EDT, you write:

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    RUSHTON Nathaniel
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    Unblooded Regents

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    Why does Blood Line have to be a "Physio-magical" connection to the
    land, feudal people believed that the King ruled by divine right, it was
    a perception thing not a physical thing. Couldn't Bloodline be a
    measure of how much power people are willing to accept their regents
    wielding? People expect the son of a Duke to rule like a duke ect.
    Then regency becomes a measure of how much power a ruler actually
    wields. You could have regents and scions in Aduria who have a
    bloodline but no blood abilities because they are the great ..... great
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