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  1. #1
    Aleksei Andrievski
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    Blood abilities by Azrai

    On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, KirbyRanma wrote:

    > Hello,
    >
    > I was just looking over a blood ability chart and I noticed that Azrai's
    > line does NOT have Divine Wrath, yet in THE IRON THRONE, the Gorgon *did* have
    > that ability. Does this mean that when one switches to Azrai's line, they get
    >
    Hello,

    Don't let the novel confuse you. Simon Hawke is not know for his strict
    adherence to game rules and 'official' gameworld information. You should
    have seen his Dark Sun novels *shudder*. Anyway, if the rules say that
    Azrai's line doesn't have Divine Wrath, then it doesn't, and the thing in
    the novel was a mistake.

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  2. #2
    KirbyRanma
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    Blood abilities by Azrai

    Hello,

    I was just looking over a blood ability chart and I noticed that Azrai's
    line does NOT have Divine Wrath, yet in THE IRON THRONE, the Gorgon *did* have
    that ability. Does this mean that when one switches to Azrai's line, they get
    their old blood abilities AND anything they get new with Azrai's? This seems
    to be the case, and if so does the common citizen know of this? I'm thinking
    they would, but would like the DM's to answer this for me. Thanks for your
    time.

    Take care,
    KirbyRanma

  3. #3
    James Ruhland
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    Blood abilities by Azrai

    >
    > I was just looking over a blood ability chart and I noticed that
    Azrai's
    > line does NOT have Divine Wrath, yet in THE IRON THRONE, the Gorgon *did*
    have
    > that ability.
    >
    I think you may have been mislead by the author. The Gorgon doesn't have
    Divine Wrath. He's just very mean.

  4. #4
    Daniel McSorley
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    Blood abilities by Azrai

    > I was just looking over a blood ability chart and I noticed that
    Azrai's
    >line does NOT have Divine Wrath, yet in THE IRON THRONE, the Gorgon *did*
    have
    >that ability. Does this mean that when one switches to Azrai's line, they
    get
    >their old blood abilities AND anything they get new with Azrai's? This
    seems
    >to be the case, and if so does the common citizen know of this? I'm
    thinking
    >they would, but would like the DM's to answer this for me. Thanks for your
    >time.
    >
    >Take care,
    >KirbyRanma
    No, and, no. :)
    Specifically, I don't think the Gorgon had Divine Wrath. (I just read it
    again this weekend, looking for whether they recovered Michael's body. I've
    read it a dozen times, and I _still_ love that book.) It merely said that,
    when Michael unleashed his, the Gorgon was still his equal or better. No, I
    don't think you should keep old blood abilities, but that's just my opinion.
    Besides, since when can you change derivations?
    Daniel McSorley
    mcsorley.1@osu.edu
    ICQ:5299865
    AIM:DanMcS

  5. #5
    Kyle Foster
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    Blood abilities by Azrai

    The only mention of Divine wrath I could find was Michael's and the
    Arch Duke of Boeruine when they met in combat. I think the Gorgon just
    has nasty attitude that seems like divine wrath, because he also has the
    power to back it up. Also the Gorgon was always from Azari's bloodline
    having been one of the original champions of that deity.

    Kyle
    - --
    "I drank WHAT?"- Socrates

  6. #6
    Trizt
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    Blood abilities by Azrai

    KirbyRanma wrote:

    > I was just looking over a blood ability chart and I noticed that Azrai's
    >line does NOT have Divine Wrath, yet in THE IRON THRONE, the Gorgon *did* have
    >that ability. Does this mean that when one switches to Azrai's line, they get
    >their old blood abilities AND anything they get new with Azrai's? This seems
    >to be the case, and if so does the common citizen know of this? I'm thinking
    >they would, but would like the DM's to answer this for me. Thanks for your
    >time

    For the first thing, I don't recall that the Gorgon ever did change
    bloodline, he has always been of Azrailine.
    But if a character would be affected by some kind of magic or similare
    things which transforms the bloodline to Azrai, then the all old powers
    (IMO) would be left unchanged as long as it don't affect the new
    bloodline or the original alignment of Azrai (a blood power which would
    given "protection from evil" should be transformed to a new ability or
    "protection from good")
    There are always times when a bloodpower does much for the create the
    characters personality, then it could be allowed to use bloodpowers
    which aren't accesseble for the character (I wouldn't think this is
    something which would be allowed for PC's, just only NPC's).

    //Trizt

    -

  7. #7
    bloebick@juno.com (Benja
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    Blood abilities by Azrai

    On Wed, 1 Apr 1998 05:26:55 EST KirbyRanma writes:
    >Hello again, everyone :-)
    >
    > Okay, I think I'm being overwhelmed with "the Gorgon doesn't have
    >Divine
    >Wrath" replies, so I yield that I read this wrong, however, my main
    >question
    >was basically, if Johan has Brenna's bloodline with a blood ability or
    >two and
    >does something that makes him Azrai's blood (such as stabbing a
    >stronger Azrai
    >bloodline person in the heart and losing the "blood battle"), does
    >Johan keep
    >his abilities and gain Azrai blood abilities when he goes up in
    >points, or
    >does he lose Brenna's abilities that Azrai doesn't have and we
    >substitute ole
    >snake boy's abilities in place?
    >
    >Take care all,
    >KirbyRanma
    >

    I believe it is clearly stated (at least, that is how I remember it) that
    if a person's derivation is changed to Azrai's bloodline, the player
    losses all abilities that are not available to Azrai's bloodline. The
    lost abilities are exchanged for new abilities at the same power level
    (minor, major, great) that are available for Azrai's scions. New
    abilities gained from increased bloodline score are chosen from those
    available to Azrai's bloodline derivation. I hope this makes sense, as
    I'm very tired.

    Benjamin

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  8. #8
    Memnoch
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    Blood abilities by Azrai

    Benjamin is correct in this one. The only "official" documentation that I
    can find (and official does not include novels) about changing bloodline
    Derivations is under The Legends of the Hero-Kings adventures under the
    Ogre. This pretty much states that if a scion of any other derivation
    changes that to Azrai by "bloodtheiving" an awnshegh, they blood-thief
    immediately changes derivations to Azrai and gains Bloodform and all other
    abilities are lost except for those that are common to his old bloodline
    derivation and Azrai's derivation as well. By common I mean that the
    particular blood power is included in it's description as having that power
    under Azrai and the old bloodline as well... like Bloodmark or Divine Aura.

    Memnoch
    - -----Original Message-----
    From: Benjamin W Loebick
    To: birthright@MPGN.COM
    Date: Thursday, April 02, 1998 5:19 AM
    Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Blood abilities by Azrai


    >
    >On Wed, 1 Apr 1998 05:26:55 EST KirbyRanma writes:
    >>Hello again, everyone :-)
    >>
    >> Okay, I think I'm being overwhelmed with "the Gorgon doesn't have
    >>Divine
    >>Wrath" replies, so I yield that I read this wrong, however, my main
    >>question
    >>was basically, if Johan has Brenna's bloodline with a blood ability or
    >>two and
    >>does something that makes him Azrai's blood (such as stabbing a
    >>stronger Azrai
    >>bloodline person in the heart and losing the "blood battle"), does
    >>Johan keep
    >>his abilities and gain Azrai blood abilities when he goes up in
    >>points, or
    >>does he lose Brenna's abilities that Azrai doesn't have and we
    >>substitute ole
    >>snake boy's abilities in place?
    >>
    >>Take care all,
    >>KirbyRanma
    >>
    >
    >I believe it is clearly stated (at least, that is how I remember it) that
    >if a person's derivation is changed to Azrai's bloodline, the player
    >losses all abilities that are not available to Azrai's bloodline. The
    >lost abilities are exchanged for new abilities at the same power level
    >(minor, major, great) that are available for Azrai's scions. New
    >abilities gained from increased bloodline score are chosen from those
    >available to Azrai's bloodline derivation. I hope this makes sense, as
    >I'm very tired.
    >
    >Benjamin
    >
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  9. #9
    Mark A Vandermeulen
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    Blood abilities by Azrai

    On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Memnoch wrote:

    > Benjamin is correct in this one. The only "official" documentation that I
    > can find (and official does not include novels) about changing bloodline
    > Derivations is under The Legends of the Hero-Kings adventures under the
    > Ogre. This pretty much states that if a scion of any other derivation
    > changes that to Azrai by "bloodtheiving" an awnshegh, they blood-thief
    > immediately changes derivations to Azrai and gains Bloodform and all other
    > abilities are lost except for those that are common to his old bloodline
    > derivation and Azrai's derivation as well. By common I mean that the
    > particular blood power is included in it's description as having that power
    > under Azrai and the old bloodline as well... like Bloodmark or Divine Aura.

    However, some care must be taken here. Now, although I don't (to my great
    chagrin) have the LotHK book, I do know that there exist numerous examples
    in the BR "cannon" of at least some "affinities" transfering over into new
    awnsheigh. The Animal Affinity of the Azrai derivation is for the snake,
    and many awnsheigh bear the mark of that affinity. The Serpent perhaps
    most obviously, but also the Hydra, the Hag, and even the Gorgon appears
    quite scaly in many of the pictures I have seen of him (and "The Medusa"
    works well for a minor awnsheigh, I can say from personal experience). On
    the other hand, there are numerous examples of awnsheigh who appear to be
    transforming according to another affinity. The Anduras bloodline has the
    affinity for lions, and I refer you to the Sphynx and the Lamia. The
    Basaia bloodline has the affinity of the hawk, and I refer you to the
    Harpy and the SwordHawk. So a case can be made of at least a part of the
    "magical characteristics" of the bloodline derivation being retained even
    after being transformed by the "Taint of Azrai." I would suggest that,
    since awnsheighlein are cheifly DM characters, they mostly follow the
    rules that have been mentioned here (i.e. only the "shared" blood
    abilities remain after "awnsheighleinhood"), but if a DM has a good idea,
    and retaining a blood ability from another derivation makes sense for the
    character and the story, then I would say, by all means retain it.

    Mark VanderMeulen
    vander+@pitt.edu

  10. #10
    James Ruhland
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    Blood abilities by Azrai

    Hmmmn. . .I'm not sure that Bloodform (or Bloodtrait for that matter) is
    intended to be taken so "literally" (where in this case "literally" means
    Bloodform=transformation into a form similar to the bloodline's animalistic
    totem). I.E. Rhoubhe has Bloodform, but the only (obvious) physical
    transformation is that he appears to be in constant need of a bath ("his
    skin is now a shadowy grey"; sounds like he looks dirty to me. Perhaps his
    Charisma should read "Cha: 17 (8/non-pesants), because I'm *sure* that
    elves bathe fastidiously) (oh, and his eyes now look like gobs of mucus if
    you ask me).
    And several of the Awens & Ehrs can only be connected to one of the totem
    animals by the longest of streaches (the Boar, the Banshegh, the Siren, the
    Minoutaur, the Magian, the Vampire, the White Bitch, Black Princess, the
    Badger, the Fae, etc, etc.)
    (btw, I always thought the Siren was more beautious than everyone's
    favorite Banshegh. Of course, conversation would be limited. I guess some
    would consider that an added benifit. But IMO, nights with Justina, doesn't
    sound like such a good idea to me. . .)
    >
    > However, some care must be taken here. Now, although I don't (to my great

    > chagrin) have the LotHK book, I do know that there exist numerous
    examples
    > in the BR "cannon" of at least some "affinities" transfering over into
    new
    > awnsheigh. The Animal Affinity of the Azrai derivation is for the snake,
    > and many awnsheigh bear the mark of that affinity. The Serpent perhaps
    > most obviously, but also the Hydra, the Hag, and even the Gorgon appears
    > quite scaly in many of the pictures I have seen of him (and "The Medusa"
    > works well for a minor awnsheigh, I can say from personal experience). On
    > the other hand, there are numerous examples of awnsheigh who appear to be
    > transforming according to another affinity. The Anduras bloodline has the
    > affinity for lions, and I refer you to the Sphynx and the Lamia. The
    > Basaia bloodline has the affinity of the hawk, and I refer you to the
    > Harpy and the SwordHawk. So a case can be made of at least a part of the
    > "magical characteristics" of the bloodline derivation being retained even
    > after being transformed by the "Taint of Azrai." I would suggest that,
    > since awnsheighlein are cheifly DM characters, they mostly follow the
    > rules that have been mentioned here (i.e. only the "shared" blood
    > abilities remain after "awnsheighleinhood"), but if a DM has a good idea,
    > and retaining a blood ability from another derivation makes sense for the
    > character and the story, then I would say, by all means retain it.
    >
    > Mark VanderMeulen
    > vander+@pitt.edu
    >
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