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  1. #1
    Daniel McSorley
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    Knights of the Iron Throne

    > From: Fredrik Lundberg
    >
    > Hello everyone
    > I got an idea a few days ago about trying to transfer the Pious Knight
    from the Legends and Lore 2ed book to Birthright (for those of you who do
    not have a copy of it go to http://www.tsr.com/adndcore/oop.html there you
    can find an RTF version of it) and this is what I came up with. This is
    only the first "version" of my thoughts and now I would like your comments
    on it so that it might become better.
    >
    > "Knights of the IronThrone.

    > To redeem themselves they have taken it upon themselves to find the
    new emperor. They are a semi-secret order who's members often comes from
    the Imperial guards, and they are very particular about who gets to join.
    Only those people who are considered worthy are accepted. To become a
    member one must first be sponsored by an already existing member then the
    pledge is given the sacred quest of finding one person worthy of becoming
    the next emperor and they must also atone (as a paladin would when he has
    committed a sin) for each person of Anuirean decent that they have killed.
    >
    I was following it up until that point. In BR, they shouldn't really
    consider everyone a potential emperor, though that might work in some other
    setting... Anyway, they need to look for a qualified blooded individual,
    don't they? So, they may respect the lives of all Anuireans as the ones
    they are trying to serve by finding a new emperor, but if they justly had
    to kill one, they probably wouln't feel too terrible. Now, penance for a
    blooded victim, this sounds good.


    > Since their is
    > no emperor at the moment but they still see themselves as servants of the
    empire they will only take orders from the Chamberlain or another high
    official of the empire.
    >
    That sounds good, it gives the Chamberlain (since there aren't really any
    other officials of the empire left) some people who actually _do_ listen to
    him. If they don't like the way some noble is acting, they let him know
    that he will _never_ be emperor unless he changes his ways.

    > It is not known why, since they are all fighters not priests, but
    since after the battle every member of the order have been able to cast
    clerical spells from the same sphere's as Haely Paladins
    Don't like it. They are more noble if it's just a self-sacrificing,
    borderline-obsession of theirs, they shouldn't get special benefits for
    performing their self-imposed duty. Now, a cleric of Haelyn and a paladin
    or two may be found in their ranks, giving rise to these rumors of spell
    ability, but the majority of them are simply devoted warriors.

    > It should also be noted that it is very hard to become a member (it u!
    > sually takes some sort of heroic action to get a member to support ones
    "application" (i.e. the person have earned a few levels as a fighter) and
    if one isn't a member of the imperial guard it is almost impossible."
    >
    What imperial guard? I didn't think one existed any more. And if there
    was, it doesn't seem like they would do much anymore, either. Maybe the
    KotIT are like questing knights, they travel around Anuire and occasionally
    take on a squire, who they present to the other knights at their Knight's
    Gathering (TM) every decade or so. They could also have some special
    ceeremony they perform at that time, in the Imperial City, say a "Changing
    of the Guard" at the tomb of Michael Roele. Does he even have a tomb? I
    don't know if his body was recovered.

    > So what do you all say. Did I come up with a totally ridiculous idea
    or is it something that can be of some use?
    >
    I have got to find something to do with these guys. I like them! Of
    course, knight orders have always been kind of a favorite of mine.
    Daniel McSorley
    mcsorley.1@osu.edu

  2. #2
    simong@mech.uwa.edu.au
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    Knights of the Iron Throne

    > I was following it up until that point. In BR, they shouldn't really
    >consider everyone a potential emperor, though that might work in some other
    >setting... Anyway, they need to look for a qualified blooded individual,
    >don't they? So, they may respect the lives of all Anuireans as the ones
    >they are trying to serve by finding a new emperor, but if they justly had
    >to kill one, they probably wouln't feel too terrible. Now, penance for a
    >blooded victim, this sounds good.

    This sounds really good. I guess one of the penalties that would go along
    with this is that the act of bloodtheft would be blasphemy to them (robbing
    a potential emperor). So the knights would not be allowed to rob another of
    their 'ties to the land'.

    >
    >
    >> Since their is
    >> no emperor at the moment but they still see themselves as servants of the
    >empire they will only take orders from the Chamberlain or another high
    >official of the empire.
    >>
    > That sounds good, it gives the Chamberlain (since there aren't
    >really any
    >other officials of the empire left) some people who actually _do_ listen to
    >him. If they don't like the way some noble is acting, they let him know
    >that he will _never_ be emperor unless he changes his ways.

    yes, a very small force, not really powerful physically, but the power they
    weild would be to throw a regent out of favour with the Chamberlain,
    effectively destroying that regents chances at the iron throne. Most
    regents would treat the knights as very honoured guests, and I wager that
    the knight could get food and lodgings in almost every single domain in
    Anuire. This could be one of their 'special abilities' - most regents tend
    to suck up to them in a major way.



    > Don't like it. They are more noble if it's just a self-sacrificing,
    >borderline-obsession of theirs, they shouldn't get special benefits for
    >performing their self-imposed duty. Now, a cleric of Haelyn and a paladin
    >or two may be found in their ranks, giving rise to these rumors of spell
    >ability, but the majority of them are simply devoted warriors.

    yes, I agree with this. No spell casting. However, they could well be
    rumoured to be much more powerful than they actually are. Being a spell
    caster, or being seen as the chosen of one of the gods, would make regents
    suck up to the knights even more. I doubt they would be kee to dispel this
    myth.

    > What imperial guard? I didn't think one existed any more. And if
    >there
    >was, it doesn't seem like they would do much anymore, either. Maybe the
    >KotIT are like questing knights, they travel around Anuire and occasionally
    >take on a squire, who they present to the other knights at their Knight's
    >Gathering (TM) every decade or so. They could also have some special
    >ceeremony they perform at that time, in the Imperial City, say a "Changing
    >of the Guard" at the tomb of Michael Roele. Does he even have a tomb? I
    >don't know if his body was recovered.

    I like this idea. A good point about Michael Roele - I have no idea if Mike
    has a tomb? Anyone else know, or i this mentioned in any of the other
    books?

    >> So what do you all say. Did I come up with a totally ridiculous idea
    >or is it something that can be of some use?

    I like the concept. They may need to be tweaked a bit, though. I would
    introduce their special abilities more along the lines of what the kits do
    - - nothing really major, more socially oriented. I would say they would be
    welcomed with open arms by almost every regent in the land, and would have
    some influence on decisions ("My lord, if you were to build housing and
    roads for the poor peasants who live in squalor in your northern provinces,
    I am sure that this action would not go un-noticed by the Chamberlain.").
    In addition, they would have much better access to regents than a normal
    commoner ("What? A Knight of the Iron Throne! And you leave him standing
    outside? Get him a nice bath, some warm clothing and a hearty meal. Tell
    him I will shall see him as soon as he is refreshed."). On the other hand,
    the penalties would be not being able to kill blooded individuals, and
    never being able to use the act of bloodtheft. In fact, some of these
    Knights may even quest to destroy those who slay blooded individuals. They
    would have good reason to do so, anyway. Maybe they would have some ability
    to 'sense' those who are blooded? I am sure there is a blood ability which
    does this, but I can't think of it off the top of my head. They could be
    required to have this ability in order to join, which would be a good
    reason why their numbers are so small. Only very special and dedicated
    individuals need to apply.

    Well, there's my thoughts on what I consider a great idea. I hope to
    eventually see the finished product up on the OCP homepage.

    Simon

    Simon Graindorge
    Coordinator, Birthright Online City Project

    E-mail: slg@nw.com.au
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    http://darkstar.cyberserv.com/netbook/city/index.html

  3. #3
    Daniel McSorley
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    Knights of the Iron Throne

    >>They could also have some special
    >>ceremony they perform at that time, in the Imperial City, say a "Changing
    >>of the Guard" at the tomb of Michael Roele. Does he even have a tomb? I
    >>don't know if his body was recovered.
    >
    >I like this idea. A good point about Michael Roele - I have no idea if Mike
    >has a tomb? Anyone else know, or i this mentioned in any of the other
    >books?
    >
    I checked out _The Iron Throne_, the only thing it has to say is that he
    was chopped in half by the Gorgon, then Aeden Dosiere was whisked away by
    the elves and couldn't really say what happened. It did say that, with the
    elves' help, the Anuirean troops were pushing back the Gorgon's, so I'd say
    they could have recovered the body, once it was identified (which ought to
    be pretty easy). I don't recall any references to a tomb in any books
    though. So, looks like we get to make it up!
    Daniel McSorley
    mcsorley.1@osu.edu
    ICQ:5299865
    AIM:DanMcS

  4. #4
    Anthony K.G.Shewan
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    Knights of the Iron Throne

    > Date: Saturday, March 28, 1998 7:31 PM
    >
    > Hello everyone
    > I got an idea a few days ago about trying to transfer the Pious Knight
    from the Legends and Lore 2ed book to Birthright (for those of you who do
    not have a copy of it go to http://www.tsr.com/adndcore/oop.html there you
    can find an RTF version of it) and this is what I came up with. This is
    only the first "version" of my thoughts and now I would like your comments
    on it so that it might become better.
    >
    > "Knights of the IronThrone.

    > So what do you all say. Did I come up with a totally ridiculous idea
    or is it something that can be of some use?
    >
    > Fredrik Lundberg
    >
    An excellent concept. IMO It does require a few adjustments however.
    Priestly magic: No way. Leave it to Priests & Paladins
    Anuirean decent: while they shouldn't go around killing "willy nilly", they
    must be able to *defend* themselves against all comers. At the very least I
    agree with previous responses concerning not killing "blooded" Anuireans.
    Lastly, this is a semi-secret order. Who knows about them? What level of
    the Gentry is aware of them? The Chamberlain and who else? Previous posts
    are indicating they should have a high social standing. I disagree. If this
    is a secret order only a *select few* should know about KotIT. Now there is
    a punishable offence, revealing that the order exists without permission
    (2/3 vote)

  5. #5
    Drake90094
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    Knights of the Iron Throne

    >can anyone help me? drake90094@aol.com

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    veryfastperson@juno.com
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    Knights of the Iron Throne

    On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:39:43 -0800 jonathan.w.ingram@exgate.tek.com
    writes:
    >Why should this be a secret order? If anything, these folks should be
    >help
    >up by the Chamberlain as the ideal Anuirean knight and should have
    >extremely
    >high social standing. Perhaps the leaders of the order and various
    >rites,
    >including initiation and candidate selection, would be a secret, but
    >the
    >existence of the order itself and its members would be widely known
    >among
    >the nobility.

    hmm, one problem i see with revealing themselves to the nobility around
    Anuire, is the possibilty of assassingation, bribery, etc.
    any regent who knows that they are looking for the emperor would
    want to get on their best side, and if they couldn't do that, then a
    course of eliminating them might start to occur. (the ends, justify the
    means... :-)

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    Gabriel Eggers
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    Knights of the Iron Throne

    - ----Original Message Follows----
    From: "Daniel McSorley"
    To:
    Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Re: Knights of the Iron Throne
    Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:50:04 -0500
    Reply-To: birthright@MPGN.COM

    >>They could also have some special
    >>ceremony they perform at that time, in the Imperial City, say a
    "Changing
    >>of the Guard" at the tomb of Michael Roele. Does he even have a tomb?
    I
    >>don't know if his body was recovered.
    >
    >I like this idea. A good point about Michael Roele - I have no idea if
    Mike
    >has a tomb? Anyone else know, or i this mentioned in any of the other
    >books?
    >
    I checked out _The Iron Throne_, the only thing it has to say is
    that he
    was chopped in half by the Gorgon, then Aeden Dosiere was whisked away
    by
    the elves and couldn't really say what happened. It did say that, with
    the
    elves' help, the Anuirean troops were pushing back the Gorgon's, so I'd
    say
    they could have recovered the body, once it was identified (which ought
    to
    be pretty easy). I don't recall any references to a tomb in any books
    though. So, looks like we get to make it up!
    Daniel McSorley
    mcsorley.1@osu.edu
    ICQ:5299865
    AIM:DanMcS

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    Taras Guarhoth
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    Knights of the Iron Throne

    - ---Erik M Samhammer wrote:
    >
    > hmm, one problem i see with revealing themselves to the nobility
    around
    > Anuire, is the possibilty of assassingation, bribery, etc.
    > any regent who knows that they are looking for the emperor would
    > want to get on their best side, and if they couldn't do that, then a
    > course of eliminating them might start to occur. (the ends, justify
    the
    > means... :-)

    Ah, yes, but while one regeant is crusading against the knights, many
    others will side against the regeant, in an attempt to get into the
    knight's good graces. Thus, few regeants would dare to kill of the
    knights.

    Of course, the knights may just keep their opinions to themselves, not
    telling the nobles of the land who they consider worthy.
    ==
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  9. #9
    rad smith
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    Knights of the Iron Throne

    On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Drake90094 wrote:

    > >can anyone help me? drake90094@aol.com

    who is this bloke?

    time to update my .procmailrc
    /dev/null/ i hear your siren call...


    - --
    rad

    uneasy listening music

  10. #10
    Anthony K.G.Shewan
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    Knights of the Iron Throne

    - ----------
    > From: jonathan.w.ingram@exgate.tek.com
    > To: birthright@MPGN.COM
    > Subject: RE: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Knights of the Iron Throne
    > Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 1:39 PM
    >
    > Why should this be a secret order?
    >

    I don't know why. Fredrik Lundberg came up with a great original idea.
    Originally the idea was they were a semi-secret order. If the whole upper
    class knows about them and they receive special treatment (i.e. high social
    standing) because of this knowledge then it isn't really a secret is it. It
    is up to the powers that be (i.e. Fredrik and/or the OCP Committees) to
    decide if the order is secret, semi-secret or general knowledge. It is not
    up to me. My point is, if it's a secret keep it a secret. Otherwise let the
    sycophantic toadying of the Anuirean Regents begin (and that could be fun
    to) as they kiss up to the KotIT for special considerations.
    IMO, either one works, but not both together.

    Regards
    Anthony K.G. Shewan
    abcdshewan@coastnet.com

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