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03-24-1998, 03:56 PM #1Pieter A de JongGuest
Bloodlines and Inheritance
In recent discussions of inheritance and how bloodlines are passed
on there has been a suggestion that John Roele, Bloodstrength 100 and Jane
Doe, Bloodstrength 30, can get together and have 3 children, each of which
will have
a 65 bloodstrength. When John Roele dies and one child inherits, there will
be 2 children with a 65 bloodstrength and 1 child with a 100 bloodstrength.
Assuming Jane Doe also died (without passing on her bloodline) we are then
left with a total bloodstrength of 230, having started with 130. It seems
unreasonable that the total amount of godly essence around is steadily
increasing without any connection to the power of the land (collected
regency). My question is should bloodlines be conservative? (Like
conservation of energy, the total amount of bloodstrength out there should
not increase without added strength from an outside source, i.e. bloodline
strength raised through accumulated regency)
Pieter A de Jong
Graduate Mechanical Engineering Student
University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
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03-24-1998, 05:04 PM #2DKEvermoreGuest
Bloodlines and Inheritance
In a message dated 98-03-24 11:06:35 EST, you write:
> egency). My question is should bloodlines be conservative? (Like
> conservation of energy, the total amount of bloodstrength out there should
> not increase without added strength from an outside source, i.e. bloodline
> strength raised through accumulated regency)
>
I think in a realistic sense the bloodlines are, overall, roughly conserved in
spite of the evidence you gave to the contrary. We mustn't forget the acts of
blood theft and regicide that happen with nail-biting regularity in the world
of Aebrynis. Producing offspring with bloodlines whose total is much greater
than the parents' totals are then necessary in order to achieve a balance.
In other words, if there were an ever-increasing number of scions running
around in the world, these scions would soon be going about with greater
frequency sticking each other through the heart to absorb whatever portion of
bloodline they could from their victims. And the overall gross amount of
blood points would then decrease.
It's therefore much faster to loose a great deal from the gross total of
bloodpoints in Cerilia than it is to gain them, since it takes longer to
conceive and give birth to new scions than it does to kill them. So let them
try to multiply like rabbits. It's going to even out in the end anyway.
At least, this is my take on the matter. ;)
- -DKE
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03-24-1998, 05:19 PM #3Pieter A de JongGuest
Bloodlines and Inheritance
At 12:04 PM 3/24/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I think in a realistic sense the bloodlines are, overall, roughly conserved in
>spite of the evidence you gave to the contrary. We mustn't forget the acts of
>blood theft and regicide that happen with nail-biting regularity in the world
>of Aebrynis. Producing offspring with bloodlines whose total is much greater
>than the parents' totals are then necessary in order to achieve a balance.
>
>In other words, if there were an ever-increasing number of scions running
>around in the world, these scions would soon be going about with greater
>frequency sticking each other through the heart to absorb whatever portion of
>bloodline they could from their victims. And the overall gross amount of
>blood points would then decrease.
>
>It's therefore much faster to loose a great deal from the gross total of
>bloodpoints in Cerilia than it is to gain them, since it takes longer to
>conceive and give birth to new scions than it does to kill them. So let them
>try to multiply like rabbits. It's going to even out in the end anyway.
>
>At least, this is my take on the matter. ;)
>
>-DKE
>************************************************* **************************
>>In general, such quasi-conservation would occur. I am just wondering how
you keep evil PC's/NPC's from doing just what was ascribed to the Gorgon.
(having a harem and committing bloodtheft on the offspring). The other
question such quasi-conservation raises is what happens to the lost
bloodstrength (godly essence) does it just evaporate? Is it absorbed by the
land? Does it result in local lifeforms being changed by and infusion of
godly essence?
Pieter A de Jong
Graduate Mechanical Engineering Student
University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
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03-24-1998, 10:36 PM #4DKEvermoreGuest
Bloodlines and Inheritance
In a message dated 98-03-24 12:31:58 EST, you write:
> In general, such quasi-conservation would occur. I am just wondering how
> you keep evil PC's/NPC's from doing just what was ascribed to the Gorgon.
> (having a harem and committing bloodtheft on the offspring). The other
> question such quasi-conservation raises is what happens to the lost
> bloodstrength (godly essence) does it just evaporate? Is it absorbed by the
> land? Does it result in local lifeforms being changed by and infusion of
> godly essence?
>
Good questions, and I think these would have as many answers as there are DMs.
I don't believe there is any specific rulings on the matter. IMC, alignments
should limit the harvesting behavior. If a PC does have an alignment which is
tolerant of slaughtering one's own offspring, then soon I believe this PC
would have other problems... ;)
I would also assume lost bloodstrength is absorbed back into the world of
Aebrynis, but I'm interested in other people's ideas on this, too. And the
question of it changing/transforming the local life is one I hadn't considered
yet...
- -DKE
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03-25-1998, 11:18 PM #5Adam TheoGuest
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hello, Adam Theo here,
well, all i have to say is that, sure, conservation of energy can work in this
'bloodpoints' thing. after all, using the conservation of energy law, and
einstein's e=mc^2, which together say that matter can be interchangable with
energy and to get more of one you have to decrease a proportional amount of the
other, we can easily say that:
Bloodline Points used by mortals in BR are one side of the coin, and as the
number of and strength of the scions in Cerilia increase, then some other factor
has to decrease.
let's say that as Bloodline Points increase across the world, then something
else (the strength of the new Cerilian gods, the 'life energy' of nature, the
barrier between the Shadow World and Cerilia) decreases. how's that?
Pieter A de Jong wrote:
> In recent discussions of inheritance and how bloodlines are passed
> on there has been a suggestion that John Roele, Bloodstrength 100 and Jane
> Doe, Bloodstrength 30, can get together and have 3 children, each of which
> will have
> a 65 bloodstrength. When John Roele dies and one child inherits, there will
> be 2 children with a 65 bloodstrength and 1 child with a 100 bloodstrength.
> Assuming Jane Doe also died (without passing on her bloodline) we are then
> left with a total bloodstrength of 230, having started with 130. It seems
> unreasonable that the total amount of godly essence around is steadily
> increasing without any connection to the power of the land (collected
> regency). My question is should bloodlines be conservative? (Like
> conservation of energy, the total amount of bloodstrength out there should
> not increase without added strength from an outside source, i.e. bloodline
> strength raised through............................
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03-26-1998, 12:54 PM #6rad smithGuest
Bloodlines and Inheritance
On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Adam Theo wrote:
> well, all i have to say is that, sure, conservation of energy can work
> in this 'bloodpoints' thing. after all, using the conservation of
> energy law, and einstein's e=mc^2, which together say that matter can be
> interchangable with energy and to get more of one you have to decrease a
> proportional amount of the other, we can easily say that:
you can easily /say/ it, but you can't necessarily say it correctly or
justifiably.
firstly, it's "magic" (or divine, which is the same but bigger) and is
thus not necessarily susceptible to scientific analysis. (or indeed
rational thought)
secondly, there is no particular reason why the laws of physics are the
same in adnd as they are IRL. in fact, if you take spelljammer as canon,
they they are definitely *not*.
> Bloodline Points used by mortals in BR are one side of the coin, and as
> the number of and strength of the scions in Cerilia increase, then some
> other factor has to decrease.
as to this "conservation of bloodstrength" thing; bloodstrength appears to
be highly non-linear. 5 random scions of 20 bloodstrength do not the
gorgon make.
- --
rad
just because something might be the case does not make it
intrinsically worthy of investigation. the human navel
might contain untold secrets of the universe; presumably
that is why so many spend so long in contemplation of it.
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03-26-1998, 03:28 PM #7Pieter A de JongGuest
Bloodlines and Inheritance
At 12:54 PM 3/26/98 +0000, rad smith wrote:
>
>as to this "conservation of bloodstrength" thing; bloodstrength appears to
>be highly non-linear. 5 random scions of 20 bloodstrength do not the
>gorgon make.
>
>
>--
>rad
>
This isn't really the point I was trying to get to. What I was asking is
where does the extra bloodstrength come from? As in yes, bloodstrength is
clearly a
non-linear quantity, but more and more is generated with each passing
generation. I used to believe that when the old gods died they released their
godly life-force and this is what made up the bloodlines. However, this
would be a finite (if large) quantity. This was then collected in various
beings, with the gods champions collecting the large majority of it and
ascending to godhood. The remainder is passed on from generation to
generation. But, the example with John Roele and Jane Doe makes it clear
that more godly life force/ bloodstrength is being generated. I would like
to hear where people think it comes from.
Pieter A de Jong
Graduate Mechanical Engineering Student
University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
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03-26-1998, 04:09 PM #8Gary V. FossGuest
Bloodlines and Inheritance
Pieter A de Jong wrote:
> At 12:54 PM 3/26/98 +0000, rad smith wrote:
> >
> >as to this "conservation of bloodstrength" thing; bloodstrength appears to
> >be highly non-linear. 5 random scions of 20 bloodstrength do not the
> >gorgon make.
> >
> This isn't really the point I was trying to get to. What I was asking is
> where does the extra bloodstrength come from? As in yes, bloodstrength is
> clearly a
> non-linear quantity, but more and more is generated with each passing
> generation. I used to believe that when the old gods died they released their
> godly life-force and this is what made up the bloodlines. However, this
> would be a finite (if large) quantity. This was then collected in various
> beings, with the gods champions collecting the large majority of it and
> ascending to godhood. The remainder is passed on from generation to
> generation. But, the example with John Roele and Jane Doe makes it clear
> that more godly life force/ bloodstrength is being generated. I would like
> to hear where people think it comes from.
I like to think of bloodlines as being something came from the gods, but can be
expanded upon by the mortals. There is no "maximum" amount of bloodstrength in
the universe, otherwise entropy would take over and the power of the gods would
fizzle out sooner or later. The power of the gods is more like yeast. Put a glop
of it in the corner with something to grow on and it will. Put another glop in
another corner from the original sample and that will grow too. Theoretically,
everyone could have some of the divine essence in them eventually.
- -Gary
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03-26-1998, 06:33 PM #9veryfastperson@juno.comGuest
Bloodlines and Inheritance
>>as to this "conservation of bloodstrength" thing; bloodstrength
>appears to
>>be highly non-linear. 5 random scions of 20 bloodstrength do not the
>>gorgon make.
>This isn't really the point I was trying to get to. What I was asking
>is
>where does the extra bloodstrength come from? As in yes, bloodstrength
>is
>clearly a
>non-linear quantity, but more and more is generated with each passing
>generation. I used to believe that when the old gods died they
>released their
>godly life-force and this is what made up the bloodlines. However,
>this
>would be a finite (if large) quantity. This was then collected in
>various
>beings, with the gods champions collecting the large majority of it
>and
>ascending to godhood. The remainder is passed on from generation to
>generation. But, the example with John Roele and Jane Doe makes it
>clear
>that more godly life force/ bloodstrength is being generated. I would
>like
>to hear where people think it comes from.
hmm, i have always been led to believe that when the gods divine essance
washed over those present at diesmaar, their /physical/ bodies were
changed. i'm not sure, but i think that's mentioned in the boxed set.
that is why people can keep having children that have bloodlines (in the
John Roele and Jane Doe example). the "godly essance" was a one time
deal... people today just have something similar to a mutiation of the
blood that makes them different.
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03-26-1998, 08:18 PM #10Mark A VandermeulenGuest
Bloodlines and Inheritance
On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Pieter A de Jong wrote:
> where does the extra bloodstrength come from? As in yes, bloodstrength is
> clearly a
> non-linear quantity, but more and more is generated with each passing
> generation. I used to believe that when the old gods died they released their
> godly life-force and this is what made up the bloodlines. However, this
> would be a finite (if large) quantity. This was then collected in various
> beings, with the gods champions collecting the large majority of it and
> ascending to godhood. The remainder is passed on from generation to
> generation. But, the example with John Roele and Jane Doe makes it clear
> that more godly life force/ bloodstrength is being generated. I would like
> to hear where people think it comes from.
It is well known that gods can reproduce (i.e. Laerme and Eloele), and
presumably can do so without reducing their own power. Thus "godpower"
acts more like a biological "substance" (like regular blood) rather than a
physical "substance" subject to laws of conservation of mass and energy.
That is, it is a product of certain living organisms, produced naturally
as part of their normal functions. The addition of "godsblood" simply
added that "part" or "module" of superhuman biology to normal humans,
without fundamentally changing them in any other way. It might be more
realistic to portray children as "growing" in bloodstrength as they reach
maturity (and reaching "full strength" by age 14 or so).
Mark VanderMeulen
vander+@pitt.edu
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