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  1. #11
    Pieter A de Jong
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    Bloodlines and Inheritance

    At 03:18 PM 3/26/98 -0500,Mark VanderMeulen wrote:
    >
    >It is well known that gods can reproduce (i.e. Laerme and Eloele), and
    >presumably can do so without reducing their own power. Thus "godpower"
    >acts more like a biological "substance" (like regular blood) rather than a
    >physical "substance" subject to laws of conservation of mass and energy.
    >That is, it is a product of certain living organisms, produced naturally
    >as part of their normal functions. The addition of "godsblood" simply
    >added that "part" or "module" of superhuman biology to normal humans,
    >without fundamentally changing them in any other way. It might be more
    >realistic to portray children as "growing" in bloodstrength as they reach
    >maturity (and reaching "full strength" by age 14 or so).
    >
    >Mark VanderMeulen
    >vander+@pitt.edu
    >
    All right, god power grows as a biological system. Then as god power can be
    accumulated in individuals, are we sooner or later going to see more divine
    ascensions a la Diesmaar; as one scion (or awnsheglien) accumulates enough
    bloodline strength from this biological growth in the amount of god power in
    the environment?
    General question : How many people believe that accumulation of a large
    enough bloodline strength would result in Divine ascension?

    Pieter A de Jong
    Graduate Mechanical Engineering Student
    University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

  2. #12
    veryfastperson@juno.com
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    Bloodlines and Inheritance

    >General question : How many people believe that accumulation of a
    >large
    >enough bloodline strength would result in Divine ascension?

    Count me on that list. I am a firm believer in Divine ascension through
    bloodline acqumulation. (sorta gives a guy hope that he too can get into
    heaven w/o formal accpetance:)

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  3. #13
    Gary V. Foss
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    Bloodlines and Inheritance

    Pieter A de Jong wrote:

    > All right, god power grows as a biological system. Then as god power can be
    > accumulated in individuals, are we sooner or later going to see more divine
    > ascensions a la Diesmaar; as one scion (or awnsheglien) accumulates enough
    > bloodline strength from this biological growth in the amount of god power in
    > the environment?
    > General question : How many people believe that accumulation of a large
    > enough bloodline strength would result in Divine ascension?

    Well, if it would the Gorgon would have probably done it by now. He's had 1,500
    years.... Maybe that is his LONG term goal, but even if it is, I don't see
    dozens of Cerilians getting enough power to become gods all that quick....

    On the other hand, there aren't too many gods in BR. Maybe a couple of divine
    ascensions would do the pantheon some good!

    - -Gary

  4. #14
    Mark A Vandermeulen
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    Bloodlines and Inheritance

    On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Pieter A de Jong wrote:

    > All right, god power grows as a biological system. Then as god power can be
    > accumulated in individuals, are we sooner or later going to see more divine
    > ascensions a la Diesmaar; as one scion (or awnsheglien) accumulates enough
    > bloodline strength from this biological growth in the amount of god power in
    > the environment?
    > General question : How many people believe that accumulation of a large
    > enough bloodline strength would result in Divine ascension?

    I see such ascensions as possible, although very, very difficult. The
    Serpent certainly seems to be having a go in that direction, what with his
    little Serpent Cultists running around (AND casting spells successfully, I
    might add). It probably won't be a problem for most PC's, as it seems
    likely to require the blood ability Immortality, which I believe only
    comes with Azrai's derivation (although also seems to be available to
    other derivations once the Ersheigh transformation has occured). But, of
    course, once a PC has successfully completed the transformation to
    Awn/Ersheighlein, they become NPC's.

    Mark VanderMeulen
    vander+@pitt.edu

  5. #15
    Drake90094
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    Bloodlines and Inheritance

    god like ascension? umm..no.


    ray

  6. #16
    Aaron Sanderson
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    Bloodlines and Inheritance

    >> General question : How many people believe that accumulation of a
    large
    >> enough bloodline strength would result in Divine ascension?
    >
    >Well, if it would the Gorgon would have probably done it by now. He's
    had 1,500
    >years.... Maybe that is his LONG term goal, but even if it is, I don't
    see
    >dozens of Cerilians getting enough power to become gods all that
    quick....

    The way I read it is that the Gorgan and most of the other major ansh.
    recieved almost as much blood as did the other champions. But that for
    some strange reason were not elevated to the position of diety. Given
    the hints about the Cold Rider being Azari (just read the previews
    section of the TSR web page) I would say that they weren't because their
    god, Azari, is still around (although limited to the Shadow World).
    Which gives rise to the idea that there can only be a limited number of
    gods and that one must die for another to rise.

    Just a few thoughts,
    A.



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  7. #17
    Anthony K.G.Shewan
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    Bloodlines and Inheritance

    Pieter A de Jong asks:
    > General question : How many people believe that accumulation of a large
    > enough bloodline strength would result in Divine ascension?
    >

    I believe it. The Ascension of the new gods came with the absorption of
    the destroyed gods "blood" (divine essence). Everyone (well almost) at
    Deismar absorbed the same "blood" just in lower doses. So if, for example,
    Haelyn ascended because he simply absorbed most of Andurias' "blood", why
    couldn't someone else. How much would it take? Hopefully more than any sane
    DM would be willing to allow. But then again instead of uniting Anuire or
    conquering Cerilia as a campaign thread, maybe ascension to godhood would
    strike someone's fancy. Not me, but you never know :)

    Regards
    Anthony K.G. Shewan
    abcdshewan@coastnet.com

  8. #18
    Jonathan Picklesimer
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    Bloodlines and Inheritance

    On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Aaron Sanderson wrote:

    > The way I read it is that the Gorgan and most of the other major ansh.
    > recieved almost as much blood as did the other champions. But that for
    > some strange reason were not elevated to the position of diety. Given
    > the hints about the Cold Rider being Azari (just read the previews
    > section of the TSR web page) I would say that they weren't because their
    > god, Azari, is still around (although limited to the Shadow World).
    > Which gives rise to the idea that there can only be a limited number of
    > gods and that one must die for another to rise.
    >

    So how do you explain the ascension of both Kreisha and Belenik. If there
    can only be a limited number of gods, then why did these two ascend to
    replace Azrai? I don't think that it is an anomolly limited by the number
    of gods. We know that Raesane was highly favored by Azrai, but not
    necessarily his chapion. The same is true of Rhoube. You must also
    consider that there are awnsheighlen around who were not present at
    Desimaar. They have built their power through blood theft. Just because
    the Gorgon now has an unreal blood strength, does that mean he has always
    had a blood strength that high?

    I feel that we are operating here on some assumptions taht we are unable
    to verify. How do we know that the old gods did not predetermine who
    their predecessors would be and that only these chosen few actaually
    ascended to godhood status. The BoP discusses in the Rournil section how
    Vorynn gave Rournil an amulet of an owl before the battle began. Perhaps
    it was this amulet that held the essence of Vorynn and when his physical
    body was destroyed, he essence became part of Rournil. We have no
    evidence that the other gods did not do the same.

    I feel that if there was someone running around Cerillia with a desire to
    be god and a fairly decent bloodline strength that there would be several
    major players, perhaps even chosen of the current gods, who would be more
    than happy to send the arrogant fool to meet THE gods of Cerillia a little
    sooner than he had expected, and on slightly different footing than he had
    hoped.

    Just my 2 GBs
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