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  1. #1
    Craig Greeson
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    Dark Elves/Elves in the Shadow

    Greetings,
    Someone mentioned the topic of elves in the Shadow World. I just recently
    joined the Ravenloft list. I've seen several posts there in the last
    couple of days regarding Shadow Elves. Could someone that uses RL (or a
    variant of RL) as the Shadow World fill us in on who/what these Shadow
    Elves are? My understanding is that they will probably be fairly well
    outlined in the upcoming RL product "The Shadow Rift". They appear to be
    something different than Drow, from what I've read so far.

    In my first post on this subject, I didn't mention the difference between
    Dark Elves and the elves loyal to the Manslayer IMC. The reason the Dark
    Elves (or Sidhesheghlien, as someone dubbed them months ago) were shunned
    by their elven brethren was because they were loyal enough to Azrai's side
    that they fought against and killed other elves at Mt. Deismaar. Rhuobhe,
    on the other hand, only wanted to see the humans destroyed. He and his
    followers continued fighting on Azrai's side, but they would only raise
    their swords against humans. Once the battle was over, both Rhuobhe's
    forces and the elves that fought against Azrai were appalled by the fact
    the Sidhesheghlien had attacked and killed their kindred. Rhuobhe could
    still be accepted by the other Sidhelien, but the Dark Elves could not.
    With no safe haven to retreat to, the Sidhesheghlien were forced
    underground.

    The Dark Elves I envision in Cerilia are not standard AD&D Drow. It's not
    a matriarchal society, they don't all have +11 weapons and armor, they are
    not black skinned, they don't use magic as frequently as we flip a light
    switch, and they don't have a load of magic items. Also, unlike in FR,
    there are not dozens of Dark Elf cities in the Underdark. I've placed two
    - - one under the Mhoried/Cariele border, the other beneath the mountains of
    southern Massenmarch. They hate their kindred who shunned them after Mt.
    Deismaar, but they still hate the humans just as much or more.

    The people who don't want Drow in their campaigns certainly have firm
    ground to stand on. They're not mentioned in any of the major
    accessories. My players and I like the concept well enough that we want
    them around, but our campaign is not as humanocentric as most probably are.

    Regards
    Craig

    Phil Burge wrote:
    >
    > LordSchmit wrote:
    >
    > > That doesn't explain Rhoubhe Manslayer. He stayed loyal to Azrai, and he is
    > > still, in a sense, an elf. The other elves that stayed loyal to Azrai simply
    > > stayed with Rhoubhe. The other elves, while they don't totally accept these
    > > elves, don't totally shun them either. Rhoubhe and his followers could be
    > > considered "dark elves" in a sense. But Drow, as they appear in Greyhawk or
    > > FR, simply don't fit into the Birthright world. The normal elves are dangerous
    > > enough.
    >
    > Rhoubhe Manslayer did not remain loyal to Azari as such but fought on
    > his side as Azari was, like Rhoubhe, intent on destroying humanity. I am
    > inclined to think that Rhoubhe felt (and feels) no loyalty to Azari at
    > all, they were simply two beings with the same goals working together.

  2. #2
    patera
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    Dark Elves/Elves in the Shadow

    I wonder if these are the same shadow elves from Mystara?

    - ----------
    > From: Craig Greeson
    > To: birthright@MPGN.COM
    > Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Dark Elves/Elves in the Shadow World
    > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 5:49 AM
    >
    > Greetings,
    > Someone mentioned the topic of elves in the Shadow World. I just
    recently
    > joined the Ravenloft list. I've seen several posts there in the last
    > couple of days regarding Shadow Elves. Could someone that uses RL (or a
    > variant of RL) as the Shadow World fill us in on who/what these Shadow
    > Elves are? My understanding is that they will probably be fairly well
    > outlined in the upcoming RL product "The Shadow Rift". They appear to be
    > something different than Drow, from what I've read so far.
    >
    > In my first post on this subject, I didn't mention the difference between
    > Dark Elves and the elves loyal to the Manslayer IMC. The reason the Dark
    > Elves (or Sidhesheghlien, as someone dubbed them months ago) were shunned
    > by their elven brethren was because they were loyal enough to Azrai's
    side
    > that they fought against and killed other elves at Mt. Deismaar.
    Rhuobhe,
    > on the other hand, only wanted to see the humans destroyed. He and his
    > followers continued fighting on Azrai's side, but they would only raise
    > their swords against humans. Once the battle was over, both Rhuobhe's
    > forces and the elves that fought against Azrai were appalled by the fact
    > the Sidhesheghlien had attacked and killed their kindred. Rhuobhe could
    > still be accepted by the other Sidhelien, but the Dark Elves could not.
    > With no safe haven to retreat to, the Sidhesheghlien were forced
    > underground.
    >
    > The Dark Elves I envision in Cerilia are not standard AD&D Drow. It's
    not
    > a matriarchal society, they don't all have +11 weapons and armor, they
    are
    > not black skinned, they don't use magic as frequently as we flip a light
    > switch, and they don't have a load of magic items. Also, unlike in FR,
    > there are not dozens of Dark Elf cities in the Underdark. I've placed
    two
    > - one under the Mhoried/Cariele border, the other beneath the mountains
    of
    > southern Massenmarch. They hate their kindred who shunned them after Mt.
    > Deismaar, but they still hate the humans just as much or more.
    >
    > The people who don't want Drow in their campaigns certainly have firm
    > ground to stand on. They're not mentioned in any of the major
    > accessories. My players and I like the concept well enough that we want
    > them around, but our campaign is not as humanocentric as most probably
    are.
    >
    > Regards
    > Craig
    >
    > Phil Burge wrote:
    > >
    > > LordSchmit wrote:
    > >
    > > > That doesn't explain Rhoubhe Manslayer. He stayed loyal to Azrai, and
    he is
    > > > still, in a sense, an elf. The other elves that stayed loyal to Azrai
    simply
    > > > stayed with Rhoubhe. The other elves, while they don't totally accept
    these
    > > > elves, don't totally shun them either. Rhoubhe and his followers
    could be
    > > > considered "dark elves" in a sense. But Drow, as they appear in
    Greyhawk or
    > > > FR, simply don't fit into the Birthright world. The normal elves are
    dangerous
    > > > enough.
    > >
    > > Rhoubhe Manslayer did not remain loyal to Azari as such but fought on
    > > his side as Azari was, like Rhoubhe, intent on destroying humanity. I
    am
    > > inclined to think that Rhoubhe felt (and feels) no loyalty to Azari at
    > > all, they were simply two beings with the same goals working together.
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  3. #3
    Terari
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    Dark Elves/Elves in the Shadow

    At 12:37 AM 3/19/98 -0800, you wrote:
    >
    >I wonder if these are the same shadow elves from Mystara?

    No, they aren't the Shadow Elves of Mystara. I believe RL shadow elves are
    dark-skinned while Mystara's shadow elves are pale. They're supposed to be
    a new creation borrowing an older name.


    Terari

    terari@airnet.net

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