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  1. #1
    john gonzalez
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    Birthright: Regency points

    Greetings all,

    here is a question thats been bugging me, how do you explain regency
    points in roleplaying terms.
    for example lets take Prince Avan, and one of his vassels. In the
    vassalge agreement, a tribute of 5GB and 10RP is agreed upon, now the GB
    is easy,
    ' you pay me 10000gp every 3 months and I wont invade your grubby little
    domain and kill you '
    but how does a regent ask another regent to send to him something that
    is an intangible link to the land and the divine spark within the
    blooded. how can it be explained. is it something that happens
    unconsciously between the two regents in an undeclared contest of wills?
    any comments would be appreciated, thanks

    wyntergryn

  2. #2
    Daniel McSorley
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    Birthright: Regency points

    >here is a question thats been bugging me, how do you explain regency
    >points in roleplaying terms.


    >but how does a regent ask another regent to send to him something that
    >is an intangible link to the land and the divine spark within the
    >blooded. how can it be explained. is it something that happens
    >unconsciously between the two regents in an undeclared contest of wills?
    >any comments would be appreciated, thanks
    >
    >wyntergryn
    Well, I've always kind of thought along these lines: In certain AD&D
    worlds, the deities' status (demi-, lesser, greater, etc.)depends on their
    numbers of worshippers, the number of people who believe them to have
    authority. Since the BR regents have this divine blood, they too are
    affected by the beliefs of the masses. Well, when you can push around
    another regent to the point that he is going to pay you tribute, his status
    will fall, and yours will rise, expressed in game terms in RP. How's that
    sound?
    Daniel McSorley
    mcsorley.1@osu.edu
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    AIM:DanMcS

  3. #3
    Bret W. Davenport
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    Birthright: Regency points

    Actually, I am not sure about anyone else, but I have never used Regency
    Points as part of a Tribute. It has always been strictly cash =)


    > here is a question thats been bugging me, how do you explain regency
    > points in roleplaying terms.
    > for example lets take Prince Avan, and one of his vassels. In the
    > vassalge agreement, a tribute of 5GB and 10RP is agreed upon, now the GB
    > is easy,
    > ' you pay me 10000gp every 3 months and I wont invade your grubby little
    > domain and kill you '
    > but how does a regent ask another regent to send to him something that
    > is an intangible link to the land and the divine spark within the
    > blooded. how can it be explained. is it something that happens
    > unconsciously between the two regents in an undeclared contest of wills?
    > any comments would be appreciated, thanks

  4. #4
    Gary V. Foss
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    Birthright: Regency points

    john gonzalez wrote:

    > Greetings all,
    >
    > here is a question thats been bugging me, how do you explain regency
    > points in roleplaying terms.
    > for example lets take Prince Avan, and one of his vassels. In the
    > vassalge agreement, a tribute of 5GB and 10RP is agreed upon, now the GB
    > is easy,
    > ' you pay me 10000gp every 3 months and I wont invade your grubby little
    > domain and kill you '
    > but how does a regent ask another regent to send to him something that
    > is an intangible link to the land and the divine spark within the
    > blooded. how can it be explained. is it something that happens
    > unconsciously between the two regents in an undeclared contest of wills?
    > any comments would be appreciated, thanks

    Well, this is really the crux of the matter, isn't it? Bloodlines and regency
    are what makes the Birthright setting what it is. Defining RPs might be a
    difficult proposition, but since I don't plan on sleeping much tonight I'll
    take a stab at it. (Which could be interpreted as an act of bloodtheft....)

    I should begin by mentioning that I am in no way associated with the folks who
    came up with the BR setting and that these are just a few ideas that I'm
    throwing out on my own. Disregard them if you like.

    How can one Regent demand RPs of another regent? Well, the short answer is
    "magic" but a longer explanation would probably have to do with the nature of
    the tie with the land and the power of a bloodline. Essentially, what seems
    intangible to the unblooded must actually be tangible to a character with a
    bloodline, mustn't it? Otherwise, they would not be able to manipulate RPs.
    Many of the special abilities that blooded characters receive have to do with
    the senses. Alertness, Character Reading, Detect Lie, Detect Illusion,
    Direction Sense, Poison Sense all are essentially just different ways of
    sensing things. Let's call them senses 7-13, shall we? (I reserve the 6th
    sense for those people in our mundane world who can sense Newt Gingrich's
    smarmy insincerity and irrational egoism.)

    Bloodlines come from the gods and in the AD&D universe part of what makes a god
    powerful is the belief given to Him/Her by worshippers. Blooded characters
    have some measure of this ability.

    In a Birthright campaign a bloodline gives a character the ability not only to
    sense RPs, but to store and manipulate them. They must form a kind of psychic
    energy, transferred by the belief of the people who are ruled to the ruler.
    The difference between a BR campaign and that of any other setting is that on
    Cerilia, the land can channel the energy of the populace to the ruler of a
    province or holding who can store it or use it. S/he can even internalize it
    in order to increase the strength of his/her own bloodline and, therefore,
    connection with the land.

    Part of a blooded character's ability to store and manipulate RPs is the
    ability to transfer them to another blooded character. They can do this in the
    form of vassalage, or by supporting the actions of that character in a province
    in which they also have holdings.

    So to blooded characters RPs would not be as intangible as they would be to
    others. They would be able to sense them, use them, or hand them off. Oh,
    they wouldn't articulate their use of the power of Regency in terms of points,
    but then how many weight lifters would express their strength in points or
    MENSA members express their intelligence in points?

    Wait. Weight lifters express the strength in the number of pounds they can
    lift and MENSA members in IQ points, huh? OK, bad example.... Well, how many
    weight lifters and really smart people would express their abilities in points
    in Medieval times before weight machines and standardized intelligence tests?

    I hope this makes some sense!

    - -G

  5. #5
    relve@Otdk.Helsinki.F
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    Birthright: Regency points

    > here is a question thats been bugging me, how do you explain regency
    > points in roleplaying terms.

    > but how does a regent ask another regent to send to him something that
    > is an intangible link to the land and the divine spark within the
    > blooded. how can it be explained. is it something that happens
    > unconsciously between the two regents in an undeclared contest of wills?
    > any comments would be appreciated, thanks

    Well, I have ruled that regency is sort of "invisble mist" that
    gathers around powerful people blooded or not. But its only scions
    with whom the mist is able to create a channel (the connection, tie,
    link whatever). When the channel has been "built" the mist starts to
    pour through it. (The witdh of the channel and thus its abilty to let
    the mist trhough depends on the bloodline strength). Initially,
    the mist is tied to the land but after pouring through the channel it
    becomes attached to the regent (forming a "personal pool").

    Thus, transferring regency presumes creating yet another channel
    between the regents (by investiture spell). Once created, the mist
    starts to pour from one "pool" to another. The width of the channel
    (i.e. how many RP's are transferred in one DT) can be altered only
    with another investiture spell which means that you cannot agree
    for example that you will pass half of the RP's to be collected - no
    matter what's the regents "income" the constant amount of RP's pours
    through the channel. (Depleting all donors RP's, if need be)

    Concerning bullying the other regent into giving up his RP's looks
    very much the same as with GB's: ' you'll participate in investiture
    ceremony and be willing to give up a part of your power and I wont
    invade your grubby little domain and kill you '

    My 2RP's
    Kaarel

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    Manfred V=?ISO-8859-1?Q?
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    Birthright: Regency points

    >Greetings all,
    >
    >here is a question thats been bugging me, how do you explain regency
    >points in roleplaying terms.
    >for example lets take Prince Avan, and one of his vassels. In the
    >vassalge agreement, a tribute of 5GB and 10RP is agreed upon, now the GB
    >is easy,
    >' you pay me 10000gp every 3 months and I wont invade your grubby little
    >domain and kill you '
    >but how does a regent ask another regent to send to him something that
    >is an intangible link to the land and the divine spark within the
    >blooded. how can it be explained. is it something that happens
    >unconsciously between the two regents in an undeclared contest of wills?
    >any comments would be appreciated, thanks

    Ok, here is a simple one:

    I think, RP's are transferred by ordering the vassal to fulfill certain
    deeds and tasks (compulsory service). Second the reputation and the fame
    of regent increases with any vassal working for him. As a result of this,
    this may cause the blood strength to increase as well.

    How about this?

    Manni


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  7. #7
    Ed Stark
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    Birthright: Regency points

    At 12:23 AM 3/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
    >Greetings all,
    >
    >here is a question thats been bugging me, how do you explain regency
    >points in roleplaying terms.
    >for example lets take Prince Avan, and one of his vassels. In the
    >vassalge agreement, a tribute of 5GB and 10RP is agreed upon, now the GB
    >is easy,
    >' you pay me 10000gp every 3 months and I wont invade your grubby little
    >domain and kill you '
    >but how does a regent ask another regent to send to him something that
    >is an intangible link to the land and the divine spark within the
    >blooded. how can it be explained. is it something that happens
    >unconsciously between the two regents in an undeclared contest of wills?
    >any comments would be appreciated, thanks
    >
    >wyntergryn

    Sure, no problem. RP are a representation of popular support, personal
    power, and status in the land. If you have lots of RP, you can call in
    favors, enforce commands, and issue orders that you are pretty sure will be
    obeyed. People under you will consider your commands important and will
    drop everything to do what you want.

    On the other hand, if you don't have a lot of RP (or spend them on your
    actions), people don't listen as well. Even if they are loyal and love you
    to death, if you don't focus your attention on an action (by spending RP),
    go through the motions of getting support and setting the political wheels
    in motion, you have less chance of succeeding.

    This sort of influence can be transfered. You can explain it however you
    wish. Let's say, for instance, that the Baron of Roesone and the Count of
    Ilien come to an understanding. For whatever reason, the Baron gives the
    Count 20 RP. In roleplaying terms, the Baron is coming out and saying "I
    support the Count! If you owe me a favor, the Count can call it in!" If you
    want to roleplay this, you can actually have the Count keep the RP separate
    and, when he spends the Baron's "gift" RP, he has to be able to explain why
    the Baron's influence would help on that occasion.


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    Game Designer, Wizards of the Coast/TSR Division
    Asst. Brand Manager, BIRTHRIGHT/GREYHAWK/MARVEL Group
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  8. #8
    Bret W. Davenport
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    Birthright: Regency points

    > Sure, no problem. RP are a representation of popular support, personal
    > power, and status in the land. If you have lots of RP, you can call in
    > favors, enforce commands, and issue orders that you are pretty sure will
    be
    > obeyed. People under you will consider your commands important and will
    > drop everything to do what you want.
    >
    > On the other hand, if you don't have a lot of RP (or spend them on your
    > actions), people don't listen as well. Even if they are loyal and love
    you
    > to death, if you don't focus your attention on an action (by spending
    RP),
    > go through the motions of getting support and setting the political
    wheels
    > in motion, you have less chance of succeeding.
    >
    > This sort of influence can be transfered. You can explain it however you
    > wish. Let's say, for instance, that the Baron of Roesone and the Count of
    > Ilien come to an understanding. For whatever reason, the Baron gives the
    > Count 20 RP. In roleplaying terms, the Baron is coming out and saying "I
    > support the Count! If you owe me a favor, the Count can call it in!" If
    you
    > want to roleplay this, you can actually have the Count keep the RP
    separate
    > and, when he spends the Baron's "gift" RP, he has to be able to explain
    why
    > the Baron's influence would help on that occasion.

    Funny. I was reading this and going, "that's some really good stuff."
    Then I read the bottom here and go. Doh! No wonder =)

    > -- ->-- ->-- ->--@
    > Ed Stark
    > Game Designer, Wizards of the Coast/TSR Division
    > Asst. Brand Manager, BIRTHRIGHT/GREYHAWK/MARVEL Group
    > TSR Website: http://www.tsrinc.com
    > (soon to be http://www.tsr.com)
    >

  9. #9
    Daniel McSorley
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    Birthright: Regency points

    >This is a good answer and should probably be in a rulebook somewhere ;-)
    >

    They probably think we can figure it out by ourselves. They give us too
    much credit :)

    >Regarding your suggestion of keeping separate accounts for RP earned and
    >"given": Doesn't this raise the ugly possibility that the Baron could
    >rescind his/her earlier decree of support for the Count, thereby reclaiming
    >the RP?
    >
    >Jonathan
    >
    Of course it does, as it should. People should always be able to back
    out of agreements, it happens all the time. I don't know about
    retroactively reclaiming the RP, that would be like saying, don't follow him
    last week, you can't change it. But they should certainly be able to break
    the treaty. Perhaps, if this happens, the overlord loses half, the rest go
    into his private stock, and the vassal doesn't get any back, as he has
    already undermined his authority.
    Daniel McSorley
    mcsorley.1@osu.edu
    ICQ:5299865
    AIM:DanMcS

  10. #10

    Birthright: Regency points

    In a message dated 98-03-10 00:20:16 EST, you write:

    >

    Think of it as using one's influence on another's behalf. Real world examples:

    Political candidates stumping for each other
    Calling in a favor/pulling strings
    Public declaration of support for (or opposition to) a certain
    issue/candidate/bill
    Product endorsements
    Recommendation letters

    When Vernon Jordon used his influence to help Monica Lewinsky get a job at
    Revlon, he was in effect giving her some of his RP. When Ronald Reagan chose
    former opponent George Bush as his running mate, he gained some of Bush's RP.
    When Michael Jordan appears on television in Hanes underwear, the Hanes
    corporation receives some of Jordan's RP. (Jordan, in return, receives plenty
    of GB in exchange.)
    Revlon, Bush supporters, and underwear consumers all become willing to trust
    someone unknown because someone else they *do* trust has used their influence
    on the unknown's behalf.

    Does that help clarify how people can exchange something intangible?

    Carrie Bebris

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