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03-09-1998, 01:20 PM #1Brandon QuinaGuest
Everybodys Favorte: Elves
> 4) Unless you're dealing with everyone's favorite, Elves, when
> the Province pop level rises (from (4) to (5), say), the Source will
> decline in proportion (from (1) to (0) in this case).
There not my favorite. The average cerilian elf dosnt have much
going for him. First, most of his homeland has been taken from him
by the humans. Second, they cant invest provinces...
The only way for them to take over a new province is to invade,
whittle down the province to a level 0 province. Then rule it back
up (with elves). That takes along time. Is it any wonder why the
elves were defeated???
Elven Wizard Regents can cast realm spells, and will generally have
lots of RP from source holdings. However, considering their problems
with taking over provinces--- that only just barly makes up for it.
Elves are cool, but im still a human person myself...
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03-09-1998, 02:49 PM #2David Sean BrownGuest
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Don't necessarily agree with this...elves can invest provinces, however,
they don't have any preists of their own, meaning they have to get a
priest of another race to do it for them. If they want to haev a
"pristine" elven realm, they'd have to do some purging afterwards :)
Sean
> There not my favorite. The average cerilian elf dosnt have much
> going for him. First, most of his homeland has been taken from him
> by the humans. Second, they cant invest provinces...
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03-09-1998, 04:58 PM #3James RuhlandGuest
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Well, one of the two people who correctly answered my Quote from "The Good,
the Bad, and the Ugly" asked for his prize to be that I say something
positive about Elves. Here's my chance.
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> There not my favorite. The average cerilian elf dosnt have much
> going for him. First, most of his homeland has been taken from him
> by the humans. Second, they cant invest provinces...
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Elves can invest Provinces (and other Holdings) using Elven Investiture.
Basically it's Investiture without Priests, but see the Book of Priestcraft
for details.
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> Elven Wizard Regents can cast realm spells, and will generally have
> lots of RP from source holdings. However, considering their problems
> with taking over provinces--- that only just barly makes up for it.
>
With these RPs, I thee wed. . .no, wait; with all the RPs they get, they
should be able to handily defeat most invaders. Plus, an Elven regent that
secures the loyalty of a bunch of Elven Wizards should not only be able to
crush invasions, but if you really go for agressive imperialisms,
spellcasters, including Wizards, are going to be a great help. . .
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> Elves are cool, but im still a human person myself...
>
Last time I checked, I was human, too. But Elves, especially BR elves,
have a number of advantages. Pound for pound they're the most powerful
player race in Birthright. They've got immortality & immunities to a bunch
of junk. One could run an elven fighter/wizard/thief and not have to
cooperate with anyone else: get all the law, guilds, and sources for
yourself (and of course keep thouse nasty human priests from sullying your
realm). You can recruit Wizard Lts like their's no tomorrow, because they
don't have to be blooded.
Because of their various advantages, and lack of real disadvantages (ok,
the level limits exist: but in BR how much higher can you reasonably expect
to go? Isn't being 15th-18th level as a Wizard enough in BR for any race?
oh, where was I? oh yah:) because of their various advantages, elves make
the perfect race for munchkin players. How do I know? Over time the vast
majority of my own characters have been elven--and I'm a munch of the 1st
order (what got me to stop playing Elves? the discovery of the wonders of
Dual-classing. . .munchkinism delayed).
So my comments regarding Elves are mainly anti-munchkin comments ("two
kinds of people; thouse who believe Elves live under some restrictions, and
thouse who believe they are akin to Living Gods and can do anything.") In
other words, a form of self-loathing.
With all the advantages Elves have, I just see no need to give them more
(like the ability of any elf to use Realm Spells, irregardless of whether
they have the Bloodline, and thus the Regency Points, needed to cast it).
Elves in BR are ostensibly a race facing extinction. Now, let me go off and
run Lluabraight; I'll keep the Regent that TSR gave me; Llaeddra. Now we'll
see who's facing extinction . . .
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03-09-1998, 09:06 PM #4bloebick@juno.com (BenjaGuest
Everybodys Favorte: Elves
On Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:49:30 -0400 (AST) David Sean Brown
writes:
>Don't necessarily agree with this...elves can invest provinces,
>however,
>they don't have any preists of their own, meaning they have to get a
>priest of another race to do it for them. If they want to haev a
>"pristine" elven realm, they'd have to do some purging afterwards :)
>
>Sean
>
Uhm, no. The BoP says elves can invest whenever they want to, without
the investiture spell. It has to do with their connection to the land.
They occupy the land and simply decide "This is mine" and presto! It is.
Something like that, anyways. They don't need priests to invest.
Benjamin
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03-10-1998, 01:23 AM #5David Sean BrownGuest
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I did know about the "Elven Investiture" but was tossing out just another
idea :)
Sean
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> Uhm, no. The BoP says elves can invest whenever they want to, without
> the investiture spell. It has to do with their connection to the land.
> They occupy the land and simply decide "This is mine" and presto! It is.
> Something like that, anyways. They don't need priests to invest.
>
> Benjamin
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03-11-1998, 01:39 AM #6ANOLESENGuest
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elves are cool, just less so in Birthright
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03-11-1998, 04:35 PM #7woozGuest
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At 08:39 PM 3/10/98 EST, you wrote:
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>elves are cool, just less so in Birthright
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I must disagree. I have never liked the fact that TSR had their elves as
short little runts. The only thing to distinguish a short elf and a tall
halfling was % body fat. I feel that the Cerilian Elves kick some serious
butt. Even with losing their infravision, they are still cool.
Sorry, but had throw my hat into the circle.
Wooz
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03-11-1998, 05:06 PM #8Ed StarkGuest
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At 10:35 AM 3/11/98 -0600, you wrote:
>At 08:39 PM 3/10/98 EST, you wrote:
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>>elves are cool, just less so in Birthright
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> I must disagree. I have never liked the fact that TSR had their elves as
>short little runts. The only thing to distinguish a short elf and a tall
>halfling was % body fat. I feel that the Cerilian Elves kick some serious
>butt. Even with losing their infravision, they are still cool.
>
> Sorry, but had throw my hat into the circle.
>
>
>
> Wooz
>
>
Being a Tolkien fan before I was a roleplayer (or, actually, before there
really was roleplaying), I tend to agree--that I like Cerilian elves better
than other AD&D elves. I don't really have any problems with other AD&D
elves; they just don't fit the vision I developed first. I suppose if I'd
read and played AD&D before reading Tolkien, I might've lurched at the
sight of 6-ft tall immortal elves.
Ed Stark
Game Designer, Wizards of the Coast/TSR Division
Asst. Brand Manager
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also: http://www.tsr.com
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03-11-1998, 05:28 PM #9woozGuest
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>Being a Tolkien fan before I was a roleplayer (or, actually, before there
>really was roleplaying), I tend to agree--that I like Cerilian elves better
>than other AD&D elves. I don't really have any problems with other AD&D
>elves; they just don't fit the vision I developed first. I suppose if I'd
>read and played AD&D before reading Tolkien, I might've lurched at the
>sight of 6-ft tall immortal elves.
That's exactly why I like the taller elves better, while I may not have
started reading Tolkeing until after D&D had been released, it wasn't THAT
much after. I'm glad to hear that someone at TSR agrees.
Wooz
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03-11-1998, 05:29 PM #10Brandon QuinaGuest
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> Uhm, no. The BoP says elves can invest whenever they want to, without
> the investiture spell. It has to do with their connection to the
> land. They occupy the land and simply decide "This is mine" and
> presto! It is. Something like that, anyways. They don't need priests
> to invest.
Its not in the main book, hence its optional. Im not using it, cause
I find it stupid. The priestly investiture is more than a tie to the
land. Its the gods saying 'you may rule'.
The elves have a big connection to the land, as a whole. Thats fine.
I take that to mean that if they can manage to get enough elves in the
land, then they get possession of the province. Thus, if they
get the population down to 0, then rule it up to atleast 1 with elves
its now their province.
I added a 'ghellie Sidhe' action to my game. 15+ to lower the
population by one code, provided the province is elven occupied
(ie. by military units).
Thankfully, its never used. Elves perfer diplomacy saying "Please,
leave this land." than rampant bloodshed.
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