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  1. #1
    Brandon Quina
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    Everybodys Favorte: Elves

    > 4) Unless you're dealing with everyone's favorite, Elves, when
    > the Province pop level rises (from (4) to (5), say), the Source will
    > decline in proportion (from (1) to (0) in this case).

    There not my favorite. The average cerilian elf dosnt have much
    going for him. First, most of his homeland has been taken from him
    by the humans. Second, they cant invest provinces...

    The only way for them to take over a new province is to invade,
    whittle down the province to a level 0 province. Then rule it back
    up (with elves). That takes along time. Is it any wonder why the
    elves were defeated???

    Elven Wizard Regents can cast realm spells, and will generally have
    lots of RP from source holdings. However, considering their problems
    with taking over provinces--- that only just barly makes up for it.


    Elves are cool, but im still a human person myself...



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    David Sean Brown
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    Everybodys Favorte: Elves

    Don't necessarily agree with this...elves can invest provinces, however,
    they don't have any preists of their own, meaning they have to get a
    priest of another race to do it for them. If they want to haev a
    "pristine" elven realm, they'd have to do some purging afterwards :)

    Sean


    > There not my favorite. The average cerilian elf dosnt have much
    > going for him. First, most of his homeland has been taken from him
    > by the humans. Second, they cant invest provinces...

  3. #3
    James Ruhland
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    Well, one of the two people who correctly answered my Quote from "The Good,
    the Bad, and the Ugly" asked for his prize to be that I say something
    positive about Elves. Here's my chance.
    >
    > There not my favorite. The average cerilian elf dosnt have much
    > going for him. First, most of his homeland has been taken from him
    > by the humans. Second, they cant invest provinces...
    >
    Elves can invest Provinces (and other Holdings) using Elven Investiture.
    Basically it's Investiture without Priests, but see the Book of Priestcraft
    for details.

    >
    > Elven Wizard Regents can cast realm spells, and will generally have
    > lots of RP from source holdings. However, considering their problems
    > with taking over provinces--- that only just barly makes up for it.
    >
    With these RPs, I thee wed. . .no, wait; with all the RPs they get, they
    should be able to handily defeat most invaders. Plus, an Elven regent that
    secures the loyalty of a bunch of Elven Wizards should not only be able to
    crush invasions, but if you really go for agressive imperialisms,
    spellcasters, including Wizards, are going to be a great help. . .
    >
    > Elves are cool, but im still a human person myself...
    >
    Last time I checked, I was human, too. But Elves, especially BR elves,
    have a number of advantages. Pound for pound they're the most powerful
    player race in Birthright. They've got immortality & immunities to a bunch
    of junk. One could run an elven fighter/wizard/thief and not have to
    cooperate with anyone else: get all the law, guilds, and sources for
    yourself (and of course keep thouse nasty human priests from sullying your
    realm). You can recruit Wizard Lts like their's no tomorrow, because they
    don't have to be blooded.
    Because of their various advantages, and lack of real disadvantages (ok,
    the level limits exist: but in BR how much higher can you reasonably expect
    to go? Isn't being 15th-18th level as a Wizard enough in BR for any race?
    oh, where was I? oh yah:) because of their various advantages, elves make
    the perfect race for munchkin players. How do I know? Over time the vast
    majority of my own characters have been elven--and I'm a munch of the 1st
    order (what got me to stop playing Elves? the discovery of the wonders of
    Dual-classing. . .munchkinism delayed).
    So my comments regarding Elves are mainly anti-munchkin comments ("two
    kinds of people; thouse who believe Elves live under some restrictions, and
    thouse who believe they are akin to Living Gods and can do anything.") In
    other words, a form of self-loathing.
    With all the advantages Elves have, I just see no need to give them more
    (like the ability of any elf to use Realm Spells, irregardless of whether
    they have the Bloodline, and thus the Regency Points, needed to cast it).
    Elves in BR are ostensibly a race facing extinction. Now, let me go off and
    run Lluabraight; I'll keep the Regent that TSR gave me; Llaeddra. Now we'll
    see who's facing extinction . . .

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    bloebick@juno.com (Benja
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    Everybodys Favorte: Elves

    On Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:49:30 -0400 (AST) David Sean Brown
    writes:
    >Don't necessarily agree with this...elves can invest provinces,
    >however,
    >they don't have any preists of their own, meaning they have to get a
    >priest of another race to do it for them. If they want to haev a
    >"pristine" elven realm, they'd have to do some purging afterwards :)
    >
    >Sean
    >

    Uhm, no. The BoP says elves can invest whenever they want to, without
    the investiture spell. It has to do with their connection to the land.
    They occupy the land and simply decide "This is mine" and presto! It is.
    Something like that, anyways. They don't need priests to invest.

    Benjamin

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  5. #5
    David Sean Brown
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    Everybodys Favorte: Elves

    I did know about the "Elven Investiture" but was tossing out just another
    idea :)

    Sean


    >
    > Uhm, no. The BoP says elves can invest whenever they want to, without
    > the investiture spell. It has to do with their connection to the land.
    > They occupy the land and simply decide "This is mine" and presto! It is.
    > Something like that, anyways. They don't need priests to invest.
    >
    > Benjamin
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  6. #6
    ANOLESEN
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    Everybodys Favorte: Elves

    elves are cool, just less so in Birthright

  7. #7
    wooz
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    Everybodys Favorte: Elves

    At 08:39 PM 3/10/98 EST, you wrote:
    >
    >elves are cool, just less so in Birthright
    >************************************************* **************************

    I must disagree. I have never liked the fact that TSR had their elves as
    short little runts. The only thing to distinguish a short elf and a tall
    halfling was % body fat. I feel that the Cerilian Elves kick some serious
    butt. Even with losing their infravision, they are still cool.

    Sorry, but had throw my hat into the circle.



    Wooz




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  8. #8
    Ed Stark
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    Everybodys Favorte: Elves

    At 10:35 AM 3/11/98 -0600, you wrote:
    >At 08:39 PM 3/10/98 EST, you wrote:
    >>
    >>elves are cool, just less so in Birthright
    >>************************************************ ***************************
    >
    > I must disagree. I have never liked the fact that TSR had their elves as
    >short little runts. The only thing to distinguish a short elf and a tall
    >halfling was % body fat. I feel that the Cerilian Elves kick some serious
    >butt. Even with losing their infravision, they are still cool.
    >
    > Sorry, but had throw my hat into the circle.
    >
    >
    >
    > Wooz
    >
    >
    Being a Tolkien fan before I was a roleplayer (or, actually, before there
    really was roleplaying), I tend to agree--that I like Cerilian elves better
    than other AD&D elves. I don't really have any problems with other AD&D
    elves; they just don't fit the vision I developed first. I suppose if I'd
    read and played AD&D before reading Tolkien, I might've lurched at the
    sight of 6-ft tall immortal elves.



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  9. #9
    wooz
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    Everybodys Favorte: Elves

    >>
    >Being a Tolkien fan before I was a roleplayer (or, actually, before there
    >really was roleplaying), I tend to agree--that I like Cerilian elves better
    >than other AD&D elves. I don't really have any problems with other AD&D
    >elves; they just don't fit the vision I developed first. I suppose if I'd
    >read and played AD&D before reading Tolkien, I might've lurched at the
    >sight of 6-ft tall immortal elves.

    That's exactly why I like the taller elves better, while I may not have
    started reading Tolkeing until after D&D had been released, it wasn't THAT
    much after. I'm glad to hear that someone at TSR agrees.

    Wooz




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  10. #10
    Brandon Quina
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    Everybodys Favorte: Elves

    > Uhm, no. The BoP says elves can invest whenever they want to, without
    > the investiture spell. It has to do with their connection to the
    > land. They occupy the land and simply decide "This is mine" and
    > presto! It is. Something like that, anyways. They don't need priests
    > to invest.

    Its not in the main book, hence its optional. Im not using it, cause
    I find it stupid. The priestly investiture is more than a tie to the
    land. Its the gods saying 'you may rule'.

    The elves have a big connection to the land, as a whole. Thats fine.
    I take that to mean that if they can manage to get enough elves in the
    land, then they get possession of the province. Thus, if they
    get the population down to 0, then rule it up to atleast 1 with elves
    its now their province.

    I added a 'ghellie Sidhe' action to my game. 15+ to lower the
    population by one code, provided the province is elven occupied
    (ie. by military units).

    Thankfully, its never used. Elves perfer diplomacy saying "Please,
    leave this land." than rampant bloodshed.




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