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11-30-1997, 12:00 AM #1
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> No doubt, ol' Johnny would be writing Birthright adventures and contributing
> voluminously to this message board if he were alive today.... But then none of
> the rest of us would be able to get a word in.
If he were alive today he would be thinking
"Why is it so dark in here?"
Or desperately trying to claw his way out of his coffin before the
air ran out. Once free, I'm sure the BR list would be his next stop
(possibly after a shower). :-)
John.
"Once I was a lamb, playing in a green field. Then
the wolves came. Now I am an eagle and I fly in a
different universe."
"And now you kill the lambs," whispered Dardalion.
"No, priest. No one pays for lambs."
- David Gemmel, Waylander
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03-08-1998, 12:49 AM #2
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In a message dated 98-03-07 18:52:20 EST, you write:
>
No application for John Milton? But surely you can see his influence on
Birthright, can't you? His character of Satan became more physically corrupt
as he became more morally corrupt--and declared it was better to rule in hell
than serve in heaven. The ultimate awnshegh :)
CB
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03-08-1998, 01:10 AM #3Gary V. FossGuest
Milton
CBebris wrote:
> In a message dated 98-03-07 18:52:20 EST, you write:
>
> graduate that young mages (especially elven ones who have more time to do so)
> might study realm magic as an acedemic exercise, with only little hope of
> ever
> actually applying it. (I feel similarly about my class on John Milton the
> last
> semester of school....) >>
>
> No application for John Milton? But surely you can see his influence on
> Birthright, can't you? His character of Satan became more physically corrupt
> as he became more morally corrupt--and declared it was better to rule in hell
> than serve in heaven. The ultimate awnshegh :)
No doubt, ol' Johnny would be writing Birthright adventures and contributing
voluminously to this message board if he were alive today.... But then none of
the rest of us would be able to get a word in.
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03-08-1998, 08:32 PM #4Ed StarkGuest
Milton
At 07:49 PM 3/7/98 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-03-07 18:52:20 EST, you write:
>
> graduate that young mages (especially elven ones who have more time to do
so)
> might study realm magic as an acedemic exercise, with only little hope of
>ever
> actually applying it. (I feel similarly about my class on John Milton the
>last
> semester of school....) >>
>
>No application for John Milton? But surely you can see his influence on
>Birthright, can't you? His character of Satan became more physically corrupt
>as he became more morally corrupt--and declared it was better to rule in hell
>than serve in heaven. The ultimate awnshegh :)
>
>CB
I can certainly see parallels between Satan and his minions and pre-history
Azrai and the Lost.
BTW, for those of you who haven't read Steven Brust's TO REIGN IN HELL (a
retelling of Milton's PARADISE LOST), I heartily recommend it. It is one of
his earliest novels, but it indicates some of the range he shows in future
projects.
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Ed Stark
Game Designer, Wizards of the Coast/TSR Division
Asst. Brand Manager, BIRTHRIGHT/GREYHAWK/MARVEL Group
TSR Website: http://www.tsrinc.com
(soon to be http://www.tsr.com)
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03-08-1998, 11:58 PM #5Gary V. FossGuest
Milton
Ed Stark wrote:
> At 07:49 PM 3/7/98 EST, you wrote:
> >In a message dated 98-03-07 18:52:20 EST, you write:
> >
> > > graduate that young mages (especially elven ones who have more time to do
> so)
> > might study realm magic as an acedemic exercise, with only little hope of
> >ever
> > actually applying it. (I feel similarly about my class on John Milton the
> >last
> > semester of school....) >>
> >
> >No application for John Milton? But surely you can see his influence on
> >Birthright, can't you? His character of Satan became more physically corrupt
> >as he became more morally corrupt--and declared it was better to rule in hell
> >than serve in heaven. The ultimate awnshegh :)
> >
> >CB
>
> I can certainly see parallels between Satan and his minions and pre-history
> Azrai and the Lost.
OK, fine. I stand corrected before the almighty John Milton.... How about a new
awnshegh based on Milty? The Windbag. He'll drone on and on, lulling the
populace to sleep (and the occasional suicide) all the while committing acts of
bloodtheft and severing the connection between the land and its regents with the
belligerence of a nun rapping the knuckles of schoolchildren on a fine spring
morning.
Of course, this monster would have to be blind as a bat and know as much about
women as a hen does of rocket science... but perhaps this is where historical
accuracy and game mechanics begin to bang heads.
By the way of homage to the old boy, how about I dig out my dusty tomes of last
semester and scribble up a Birthright adventure based on some work or the other of
his? If nothing else maybe it will help me digest his text in a way that I seemed
unable to do in class....
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03-12-1998, 11:46 PM #6c558382@showme.missouri.Guest
Milton
Birthright has much of Milton. I am particulary facinated by his
portrayal of sin, beautiful when you first see her, but only after
seduction do you understand how horrible she is. Blake's portrayal in
aquataint is excellent. Power is tempting, and contains the seed of
corruption. Not just Azrai's power, but artifacts, lost eleven magics,
the realm next door. People break their own rules, to satisfy their
desires; isn't that the essence of corupt?
Kenneth Gauck
c558382@showme.missouri.edu
On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, CBebris wrote:
> (I feel similarly about my class on John Milton the last
> semester of school....) >>
>
> No application for John Milton? But surely you can see his influence on
> Birthright, can't you? His character of Satan became more physically corrupt
> as he became more morally corrupt--and declared it was better to rule in hell
> than serve in heaven. The ultimate awnshegh :)
>
> CB
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03-20-1998, 07:15 PM #7E GrayGuest
Milton
- -----Original Message-----
From: John
To: birthright@MPGN.COM
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Milton
>If he were alive today he would be thinking
>
>"Why is it so dark in here?"
>
>Or desperately trying to claw his way out of his coffin before the
>air ran out. Once free, I'm sure the BR list would be his next stop
>(possibly after a shower). :-)
Or maybe he'd say "Hey Dad, how have you been?"
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