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11-30-1997, 12:00 AM #1BearcatGuest
Unblooded Regents
>Actually, to rule a Level 0 holding to Level 1 requires 1 GB and 1 RP.
Unblooded >characters can't
>gain Regency Points, so that makes any holding past 0 - true show of
strength - >impossible. Unless,
>of course, some rules after the boxed set have altered the original.
Actually, it doesn't:
"Ruling a Holding from level 0 to level 1 costs 1 GB; no RPs must be
spent"
-Rulebook, pg. 59, paragraph 5, last sentence
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11-30-1997, 12:00 AM #2BearcatGuest
Unblooded regents
>Just a question - just how many 'failed attempts at bloodtheft' would you
>know of?
"Supporting himself with a cane the old man walked around the table
to which Jindaer D'Osoene was bound. The young scion was trembling, already
anticipating the blow to come. After making several circuits in this manner
the old codger stopped before the immobilized lord.
"'Ah, Ah, Ah!', he cackled,'Soo, yu hav finally fallen into me grasp
Jindaer. Ah, Ah, AH!". With this he dissolved into a hysteria of cackling.
"With that he went snapped a finger and a servant rushed upto hand
him two objects: a sharpened dagger, and his spectacles. The servant
immediately withdrew, ignoring Jindaer pleaing eyes. The old man was now
sweating profusely in anticipation of the fresh bloodstrength that he would
gain. He adjusted his spectacles and raised the dagger.
"Jindaer screamed as the dagger came down, and the old man was also
dismayed. The spectacles slipped off of his nose and he missed the large 'X'
which he had ordered painted on the lordling's chest. With an agonized look
on his face Jindaer died, his unclaimed bloodline dissolving into the land.
"'@#$*&$%#@@#$$!', quoth the codger,'It happened again! NEXT!'"
:)
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03-04-1998, 01:41 PM #3relve@Otdk.Helsinki.FGuest
Unblooded regents
I was "filling in" the area called "the Five peaks" and I had trouble
to answer the following question:
What restricts unblooded persons to become regents? That they don't
have a bloodline? It doesn't make sense. Humans (and the other main
races in BR) are able to survive in long run only as a society.
Society always has a hierarchy meaning that some individuals (group
of individuals) have more power than others. I see no reason why a
commoner couldn't seize that power if no scions are around and thus
acquire "a holding". (Having no better explanation, I have defined
holding as "a centre of power")
For example, let's suppose that one of the provinces in the Five
Peaks is 1st level and that the whole population consists in kobolds
(there are no reports of them being in Deismaar). Now, let's suppose
we have a powerful and charismatic kobold living there. Unfortunately
he is unblooded. Does it mean that he is never able to unite the
tribes? (i.e. create a law holding) Just because he isn't a scion?
(BTW, even ruling only one tribe in a 1st level province should count
as 0lev law HOLDING)
I've got an answer for this problem but I'd like to hear your ideas
first.
Another curious one
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03-04-1998, 02:54 PM #4TriztGuest
Unblooded regents
>For example, let's suppose that one of the provinces in the Five
>Peaks is 1st level and that the whole population consists in kobolds
>(there are no reports of them being in Deismaar). Now, let's suppose
>we have a powerful and charismatic kobold living there. Unfortunately
>he is unblooded. Does it mean that he is never able to unite the
>tribes? (i.e. create a law holding) Just because he isn't a scion?
>(BTW, even ruling only one tribe in a 1st level province should count
>as 0lev law HOLDING)
If you follow the rules, he (or she) could unite the tribes (to one
huge), but that would be it.
There is always the possibility that the land chooses the kobold to the
regent of the domain which the kobolds followers occupy. IMO the land
should be able to ripp it off from the current regent of the domain in
favor for the kobold (if the kobold will be the force which leads to
more development in the area for the moment). Alignment should have
nothing to do with the choise of the land, otherwise all regents would
suddenly be LG (which IMO is worse than that all regents would be CE).
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03-04-1998, 03:21 PM #5Mark A VandermeulenGuest
Unblooded regents
On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 relve@Otdk.Helsinki.FI wrote:
> What restricts unblooded persons to become regents? That they don't
> have a bloodline? It doesn't make sense. Humans (and the other main
> races in BR) are able to survive in long run only as a society.
> Society always has a hierarchy meaning that some individuals (group
> of individuals) have more power than others. I see no reason why a
> commoner couldn't seize that power if no scions are around and thus
> acquire "a holding". (Having no better explanation, I have defined
> holding as "a centre of power")
Unblooded humans (and demihumans) can and do undertake realm actions. They
just can't use Regency, and gain no Regency from any holdings they
control. If you want to have an unblooded Kobold leader of a kobold tribe,
by all means go ahead, it sounds like a good idea. Its just that if a
blooded kobold does come around, or a evil blooded theif who wants to
control the kobold tribe, they have an immense advantage over the
unblooded leader, because of their spark of godpower, which allows them
to use their "influence" to get things done easier: people respond to
them as people in authority. In this case, your unblooded kobold leader
would be likely to want to become the ally of the blooded theif, that way
he remains his personal power and prestige (as a lieutennant), even if the
Regency is going to the overlord.
Mark VanderMeulen
vander+@pitt.edu
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03-04-1998, 03:41 PM #6woozGuest
Unblooded regents
>For example, let's suppose that one of the provinces in the Five
>Peaks is 1st level and that the whole population consists in kobolds
>(there are no reports of them being in Deismaar).
There were Kobolds at Diesmaar. They fought on the side of Azrai. In one
of the novels, there is mention made of them. The reason for being blooded,
is the direct connection needed to the land and people. I look at it as a
more physical manifestation of 'divine right'.
Wooz
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03-04-1998, 11:49 PM #7Daniel McSorleyGuest
Unblooded regents
> There were Kobolds at Diesmaar. They fought on the side of Azrai. In one
>of the novels, there is mention made of them. The reason for being blooded,
>is the direct connection needed to the land and people. I look at it as a
>more physical manifestation of 'divine right'.
>
Which book was this, I don't recall?
A non-blooded ruler would not really get any holdings, I think. He'd be
like the minor Jarls in Rjurik, who lead their clans but don't really
influence the provinces. Admittedly, the really big clans have leaders with
holdings, but they all have bloodlines as well. If a kobold tribe was this
influential, the headman would be able to get a bloodline from somewhere,
perhaps the land itself would supply it, or take it from the current, less
worthy regent.
>
> Wooz
> "quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
>
Who watches the watchers (roughly). I like it.
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03-05-1998, 01:47 AM #8Jim CooperGuest
Unblooded regents
Mark A Vandermeulen wrote:
> In this case, your unblooded kobold leader
> would be likely to want to become the ally of the blooded theif, that way
> he remains his personal power and prestige (as a lieutennant), even if the
> Regency is going to the overlord.
>
Why wouldn't the kobold leader get a priest lackey to invest the poor
saps bloodline into himself, then kill the pesky upstart?
I mean, being blooded doesn't necessarily translate to leadership roles,
or give one a sure fire ticket to lord it over others.
Darren
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03-05-1998, 02:12 AM #9Jim CooperGuest
Unblooded regents
relve@Otdk.Helsinki.FI wrote:
>
> I was "filling in" the area called "the Five peaks" and I had trouble
> to answer the following question:
>
> What restricts unblooded persons to become regents?
Absolutely nothing.
>
> For example, let's suppose that one of the provinces in the Five
> Peaks is 1st level and that the whole population consists in kobolds
> (there are no reports of them being in Deismaar). Now, let's suppose
> we have a powerful and charismatic kobold living there. Unfortunately
> he is unblooded. Does it mean that he is never able to unite the
> tribes? (i.e. create a law holding) Just because he isn't a scion?
> (BTW, even ruling only one tribe in a 1st level province should count
> as 0lev law HOLDING)
According to the rules, ruling a holding up to level '1' (or creating
one, for that matter) only requires cold hard cash; so, nothing is
stopping a non-blooded being from having actual level holdings. They
just wouldn't be able to rule them above a level one - signifying,
perhaps, that only a 'special type' of person can truly influence their
surroundings (ie, a 'divine' person, however one wants to define this),
which might explain all of those great historical figures in Cerilia's
past. Remember that one does not need to have had ancestors at the BoD;
the BR team gave DMs a way out by giving us a special rule called 'The
Lands Choice', that allows anyone to gain regency points, at any point
in their lives. Therefore, being unblooded hardly restricts a person
from being a ruler, when one factors in that the land usually responds
to these special people by 'recognizing' their power over their
'surroundings', whatever they may be. Heck, _green slime_ could rule a
holding if enough beings worshipped/followed it - though not to much
would get done in that domain, I reckon.
The interesting question is ...
When the land 'gives' someone a bloodline, what derivation does it
become? Hmmm ...
Does the land keep 'pockets' of this divine essense that is lost to
mortals in places to 'give' to people? Are certain places imbued with
the essences of certain gods?
This might explain the 'Michael Roele' phenomenon - the land 'grabbed'
his essense before The Gorgon could steal it. Maybe this is what
happens to all failed attempts at bloodtheft - the land sucks them up
into itself. I mean, where else does it go?
See also my post to your question on investiture.
Darren
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03-05-1998, 05:51 PM #10woozGuest
Unblooded regents
> Which book was this, I don't recall?
The novel about Richard Endier and the Spider. The scenes in the Spider's
memory when he was walking back to the Spiderfell and gathering his army
about him.
>> "quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
> Who watches the watchers (roughly). I like it.
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