Development Question

[Rasmus Juul Wagner]

On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Mark A Vandermeulen wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, gandalf wrote:
>
> > Why not travelers?
> > We do know that news of current status (or at least recent) in Djapar have
> > reached Anuire. I think this means that there have been travelers to and
> > from Djapar, if not many. Perhaps one of those that reached Djapar was
> > blooded, and decided to put his advantage to good use there, where it would
> > count more since bloodlines would be so few (perhaps seemingly
> > non-existent). Or maybe some Djaparian (sp?) might have set out for Cerilia,
> > and upon finding out about (and obtaining) blood, he would go back to his
> > homeland.
>
> Certainly possible, and I'm not disputing your right to play it this way,
> but I like playing that Cerillia has not really been that big on
> exploration: too much going on on the home front, what with wars and
> awnsheighlein and all, and even though they have seaworthy ships, only the
> Brecht really get a kick out of being out of sight of land for many days.
> Also, I've always assumed that the faint bits of info we have on Djapar
> are DM's info rather than players info--coming, as it does, mostly out of
> the Blood Enemies book--and may be completely rumor and hearsay as that
> book is subject to. I would think that only cartographers and sages are
> likely even know about the existance of the place, much less anything
> about it (with such knowledge perhaps being slightly more common in
> Khinasi lands than elsewhere). If such bloodlines did get to Djapar via
> Cerillian "vectors," I would imagine that it is more from storm-lost
> mariners than from regular trade visits from Cerillian guilders. Of
> course, this is only my own view, but I like the idea that there's a whole
> lot of world out there for PC Explorers to be the "first" to discover. I
> really like the idea that Cerillia is on the verge of an Age of
> Exploration, and I think that such an age is an excellent idea for a
> campaign (I just haven't met anyone around here yet who is as interested
> in it as I am).
> Plus, I thought bloodlines from Dragons was a pretty cool idea,
> and though others might think so, too. I kind of think of Djapar as having
> a sort of Japanese/Chinese feel to it, and so Dragon Bloodlines would fit
> right in, but I haven't spent any time actually designing such things.


Dragon bloodlines? I don't know what you're talking about, but I like it
already...
I see dragons as stupendously awesomely powerful creatures (the Gorgon's
offensive in my campaign was stopped when Zakhur Lifesbane told the Gorgon
to go home).
Maybe the Dragons that died at cerilia imbued a very few with their own
unique bloodline...maybe when you slay a dragon (not the routine task of
most AD&D campaigns, but a world-shaking event) you gain some sort of
bloodline.


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Rasmus Juul Wagner
Technical University of Denmark
c958650@student.dtu..dk
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[Mark A Vandermeulen]

On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Rasmus Juul Wagner wrote:

> Dragon bloodlines? I don't know what you're talking about, but I like it
> already...
> I see dragons as stupendously awesomely powerful creatures (the Gorgon's
> offensive in my campaign was stopped when Zakhur Lifesbane told the Gorgon
> to go home).
> Maybe the Dragons that died at cerilia imbued a very few with their own
> unique bloodline...maybe when you slay a dragon (not the routine task of
> most AD&D campaigns, but a world-shaking event) you gain some sort of
> bloodline.

The question was if and how people in Djapar had bloodlines if they
weren't at the battle of Deismaar, and I suggested that there might be
some humans in Djapar who were decended from some polymorphed dragons, and
so therefore had something like a bloodline, only from dragons rather than
from the gods. It was really just a concept that I was throwing out, and
if anyone feels like running with it and coming up with exactly how dragon
bloodlines would be different from divine bloodlines they should feel free
to go ahead. I hadn't thought about dragons slain at Deismaar, but that's
a pretty good idea as welll.

Mark VanderMeulen
vander+@pitt.edu

[Anthony K.G.Shewan]

> On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Rasmus Juul Wagner wrote:
>
> > Dragon bloodlines? I don't know what you're talking about, but I like
it
> > already...
> > I see dragons as stupendously awesomely powerful creatures (the
Gorgon's
> > offensive in my campaign was stopped when Zakhur Lifesbane told the
Gorgon
> > to go home).
> > Maybe the Dragons that died at cerilia imbued a very few with their own
> > unique bloodline...maybe when you slay a dragon (not the routine task
of
> > most AD&D campaigns, but a world-shaking event) you gain some sort of
> > bloodline.

I have a small problem with this. Bloodlines are "divine essence" -
leftovers from the destruction of gods (GODS) at Deismar (sp.). Dragons are
great I like dragons, the game is called Advanced Dungeons & Dragons for a
reason, but dragons are not and never have been divine. Can dragons have
bloodlines? Sure, the designers have given Bloodlines to a wild pig and a
wolf why not a dragon. However I do not think dragons should have their own
unique Bloodline
Bloodlines didn't exist (or did they?) pre-Deisamar (sp.) so where would a
dragon get a their own unique bloodline from if they are not divine (or are
they?)

Regards
Anthony

[Daniel McSorley]

>> > Dragon bloodlines? I don't know what you're talking about, but I like
>it
>> > already...
>> > I see dragons as stupendously awesomely powerful creatures (the
>Gorgon's
>> > offensive in my campaign was stopped when Zakhur Lifesbane told the
>Gorgon
>> > to go home).

That sounds cool :)

>> > Maybe the Dragons that died at cerilia imbued a very few with their own
>> > unique bloodline...maybe when you slay a dragon (not the routine task
>of
>> > most AD&D campaigns, but a world-shaking event) you gain some sort of
>> > bloodline.
>
>I have a small problem with this. Bloodlines are "divine essence" -
>leftovers from the destruction of gods (GODS) at Deismar (sp.). Dragons are
>great I like dragons, the game is called Advanced Dungeons & Dragons for a
>reason, but dragons are not and never have been divine. Can dragons have
>bloodlines? Sure, the designers have given Bloodlines to a wild pig and a
>wolf why not a dragon. However I do not think dragons should have their own
>unique Bloodline
>Bloodlines didn't exist (or did they?) pre-Deisamar (sp.) so where would a
>dragon get a their own unique bloodline from if they are not divine (or are
>they?)
>
As someone else pointed out, it is canon that dragons can not have
bloodlines derived from Deismaar. However, I think they do have divine
essence in some form or other. Here's how my train of thought is going:
Elves are related to nature in such a way that they can all sense and
control mebhaighl, if they are so inclined, enough to use true magic.
However, they need a bloodline to be able to cast realm magic, just like
everyone else.
Dragons are more closely related to nature than elves (actually, IMC the
dragons and the elves are pretty closely related anyway). They can cast
true magic (I think), and, if they put their minds to it, realm magic,
controlling sources and such, as at least one dragon has already. This is
because dragons are the most ancient of races, the first children of
Aebrynis, and thus are more closely attuned to the ebb and flow of
mebhaighl. Who do you think used those ancient ley lines and caerbhaighlien
before Deismaar?
In response to the Dragon Bloodline thing, I don't think it would
happen. Dragons are of the earth, not the heavens, they aren't blooded and
don't have a bloodline to give. That would be like killing an elf and
getting a bloodline of elvish derivation, it doesn't make sense.
Daniel McSorley
mcsorley.1@osu.edu
ICQ:5299865
AIM:DanMcS