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05-17-2004, 02:05 PM #1
So we all know Cerilian Dragons can cast true magic without bloodlines.
Does their primal blood allow them to control sources, ley lines, and regency, or are they limited to magics of a smaller scale? Also, if they collected regency could they in fact strengthen their own bloodlines?
In other words, should dragons be treated like scions with True bloodlines (or at least True/Great, depending on age?).
Curious if others have some ideas on this subject, as it could be a fascinating little piece of mostly-lost Cerilian lore.
Osprey
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05-17-2004, 03:29 PM #2
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IMO no they shouldn't be. IMO they are more like elves, they can cast true magic but not realm magic unless they have a bloodline.
They aren't divine in nature, which is the real tie for manifesting realm magic. It was the blood of the gods (e.g., divine essence) that allows focusing of the mebhaighl required for realm magic without being destroyed.Duane Eggert
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05-17-2004, 07:10 PM #3
In other words, should dragons be treated like scions with True bloodlines (or at least True/Great, depending on age?).
So killing a dragon eould give you some blood boost. even you could get a new bloodline !! a dragon blood.
we could be moving towards a posible variant setings West of the andurian Named "DARK SUN"
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05-17-2004, 07:20 PM #4
Osprey writes:
> So we all know Cerilian Dragons can cast true magic without bloodlines.Does their primal blood allow them to control sources, ley lines, and regency, or are they limited to magics of a smaller scale? Also, if they collected regency could they in fact strengthen their own bloodlines?In other words, should dragons be treated like scions with True bloodlines (or at least True/Great, depending on age?). Curious if others have some ideas on this subject, as it could be a fascinating little piece of mostly-lost Cerilian lore.
I don`t have any BR material in front of me at the moment, but IIRC the
existence of dragon bones in a province is one of the things that can raise
the potential source level of that province. Given that, it seems like
dragons might have some innate source-like power if just their calcifying
corpses represents what is, in effect, 1-3 potential source levels. I
suggest that a living, (fire-)breathing dragon might represent a more
powerful magical "source" all by its lonesome.
However, I`d suggest that casting realm spells and participation in the BR
domain level of play might be a step down for a Cerilian dragon. They may
be operating at a level above that of the bloodline/domain level. That
might explain why dragon(s) present on the battlefield were "immune" to the
effects of Deismaar. If they already have a dragon-ish equivalent that is
more powerful than bloodline, the comparatively paltry powers absorbed by
mortals (and elves) at that battle might not stack (in 3e terms) with their
draconic power.
I like to postulate the existence of an "empire level" of play that is to
the domain level what the domain level is to the adventure level. That
"empire level" could also be the "dragon level" if you will. Cerilian
dragons might be operating at that level, magically speaking, and wielding
magics that are so vast that they might actually go unnoticed or mistaken
for something else when viewed at the domain or adventure levels. Draconic
"source" magic might be responsible for hurricanes, earthquakes, plagues,
the seasons, or similar continent or even planet spanning effect. The
domain turns and action rounds of that level of play might take decades or
years. Dragons could be competing with the gods themselves for the control
of "empire level" sources (or the gods might be a level or two above
dragons) or with similar, titan-like beings in a conflict that is so broad
most of humanity doesn`t even recognize it because of its vast scale.
At least, that`s the kind of thing I`d lean towards.
Gary
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05-17-2004, 07:30 PM #5
Heh, blooded dragons... Well even if theyre not considered blooded to begin with, how many adventures have they probably eaten over the past 1500+ years since deismaar that were blooded? Probably a few at least. So, its fairly likely that they would have bloodlines anyway.
Now, considering the posssiblity of them being blooded... It would be interesting if dragons have their own type of divine blood from a primal source, ie not from any of the gods who died at diesmaar, that gives them their powers, as they age. Unless, you mean they have this divine blood that gives them other powers in addition to what they already have. Then I'm never goin dragon hunting...
However, if dragons have this primal divine blood why wouldnt the elves? Heh, would be a good excuse to have elves take a level in elf to get their benefits (though most likely they start off with a few benefits like immortality, ect), just like scions need to take a level in scion to get access to their powers.
In any case it would at least be an interesting variant that would help explain why these two races can cast arcane magic."Who was the first that forged the deadly blade? Of rugged steel his savage soul was made." --Tibullus
"Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum." --Vegetius
"Men grow tired of sleep, love, singing and dancing sooner than war." --Homer
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05-17-2004, 07:56 PM #6I like to postulate the existence of an "empire level" of play that is to
the domain level what the domain level is to the adventure level. That
"empire level" could also be the "dragon level" if you will. Cerilian
dragons might be operating at that level, magically speaking, and wielding
magics that are so vast that they might actually go unnoticed or mistaken
for something else when viewed at the domain or adventure levels. Draconic
"source" magic might be responsible for hurricanes, earthquakes, plagues,
the seasons, or similar continent or even planet spanning effect. The
domain turns and action rounds of that level of play might take decades or
years. Dragons could be competing with the gods themselves for the control
of "empire level" sources (or the gods might be a level or two above
dragons) or with similar, titan-like beings in a conflict that is so broad
most of humanity doesn`t even recognize it because of its vast scale.
Hmm, well they may compete on some levels then, however, I imagine that gods would have a bigger view than just empire, more like continental to world view of things at least, along with they interests in the Shadow world and maybe some in the elemental planes, ect. Because, they very well could have other followers on other continents or planes, however, those followers may have slightly different names for them, and then there maybe other planets following this example, heh, who knows, maybe some of them count by galexy, universe or planes (ie shadow world, Prime material plane, Elemental planes, ect).
It really, leads you to contemplate just how far one would be able to expand ones influence over one's reality, as for gods their reality is exsisting on multiple worlds in multiple planes, while for most dragons their reality is about 1-4 regions (or 1 continent at best) and 1 maybe 2 planes (some may have ties to the shadow world), and for the average human their reality is the local area they live and work inm just to give it a little perspective."Who was the first that forged the deadly blade? Of rugged steel his savage soul was made." --Tibullus
"Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum." --Vegetius
"Men grow tired of sleep, love, singing and dancing sooner than war." --Homer
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05-17-2004, 08:17 PM #7
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Originally posted by geeman@May 17 2004, 02:20 PM
I don`t have any BR material in front of me at the moment, but IIRC the
existence of dragon bones in a province is one of the things that can raise
the potential source level of that province. Given that, it seems like
dragons might have some innate source-like power if just their calcifying
corpses represents what is, in effect, 1-3 potential source levels.Duane Eggert
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05-17-2004, 08:26 PM #8
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There are only a handful of dragons total (I can't recall the exact number but it is less than 12). They don't like to be bothered by lesser beings. So whose side would they have fought on? That would have been the side that won, pretty much automatically.
Even the Gorgon's 'pet' wasn't defeated until after he (the Gorgon) ascended to awnsheghlien status.Duane Eggert
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05-17-2004, 08:47 PM #9Originally posted by irdeggman+May 17 2004, 02:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (irdeggman @ May 17 2004, 02:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-geeman@May 17 2004, 02:20 PM
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might explain why dragon(s) present on the battlefield were "immune" to the
effects of Deismaar.
There are only a handful of dragons total (I can't recall the exact number but it is less than 12). They don't like to be bothered by lesser beings. So whose side would they have fought on? That would have been the side that won, pretty much automatically.
Even the Gorgon's 'pet' wasn't defeated until after he (the Gorgon) ascended to awnsheghlien status. [/b][/quote]
If I recall correctly there is mention that dragons did fight at Deismaar. It may be in the Dragon magazines that have articles of the dragons of Cerilia. Also the limited number of dragons refers only to dragons living in Cerilia not the rest of the world.
Another thing to note. In Vosgaard there is a dragon that does own sources. It is between the Raven's realm and Zoloskaya. Actually the Dragon Vore Lekiniskiy is in both realms.One law, One court, One allied people, One coin, and one tax, is what I shall bring to Cerilia.
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05-17-2004, 09:20 PM #10
irdeggman writes:
> Maybe I`m missing something - but I don`t recall mention of
> dragons at Deismaar.
> There are only a handful of dragons total (I can`t recall
> the exact number but it is less than 12). They don`t like to be
> bothered by lesser beings. So whose side would they have fought on?
> That would have been the side that won, pretty much automatically.
I still don`t have my BR materials with me, but IIRC there were Dragon mag
articles that mention dragons being present at Deismaar. I think it was one
from Vosgaard fighting on Azrai`s side and another from Anuire who fought
against Azrai.
Dragons (particularly BR dragons) should be pretty impossibly powerful, but
given that that battle involved the gods themselves, a dragon or two might
have actually not been the most powerful things on the field.
There is a list of the dragons known to exist (or that have been mentioned
in the BR materials) compiled by Daniel McSorley and in the archives at:
http://oracle.wizards.com/scripts/wa...ght-l&P=R1691&
m=9974
Gary
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