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02-08-1998, 08:50 PM #1TriztGuest
On 07-Feb-98, email@example.com (firstname.lastname@example.org) wrote
about Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Traditiional Ghosts:
- ->Most existing languages in Europe are Indo-European, that is they are
- ->related. Basque pre-dates the coming of the Celts, and Finno-Urgic,
- ->Finnish and Hungarian (Magyar) are late arrivals and also not related to
- ->the European languages. The three language groups in Europe are Slavic,
- ->Germanic, and Romance. I could go on.
Finnic languages are the once which has been spoken before any indo-european
laguages in the whole north east europe, so I wouldn't say that Finnic
languages are late arrivals to europe. The place where it's belived that the
first Finno-Ugrians lived is placed in europe. Finnic languages are belived to
be the first languages in northen europe too, it may have been that the first
settlements in Scandinavia spoke a Baltic language (Latvian and Lithuanian are
the only now exsisting languages in that language group).
Don't forget that before the great emigrations indo-european languages was as
good as only spoken in west and central europe.
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02-08-1998, 11:42 PM #firstname.lastname@example.org.Guest
The Finno-Urgic language group is often called the Uralic group because
most are found just west of the Ural mountains. By far the most common
homeland for this group of languages (the place where the people who spoke
one language that divided into these languages) stretches from the middle
Volga to the middle Ob. Consensus situates the earliest Finno-Urgic
speakers in the forest zone of Eastern European-Western Siberia.
Since there are many loan words between proto-Indo-Iranian and
Finno-Urgic, we can assert that these peoples continued to live in the
middle Volga/ middle Ob region because the Indo-Iranians are placed in the
lower Volga-Ural region. This suggests dating these transactions to
between 2500 BCE and 1500 BCE.
The Greeks move into Greece between 3000 and 2000 BCE. The Illyrians
occupied Illyria (now Yugoslavia) about the same time. Proto-Germannic
began to break into Gothic, German, and Scandian about 500 BC. The
Germans thus, had completed their migration to Scandinavia and northern
Germany by about that time. The Finns probably came later, and were
forced to occupy more northerly territory. The expansion of the Slavs
c. 700 AD pushed the Finno-Urgic peoples both north and west into Finland
The Hungarians, who call themselves Magyars, came to the Hungarian plain
some time after Charlemagne.
Lituanian and Latvian are not Finno-Urgic, Estonian is. Lituanian and
Latvian are Baltic languages. Baltic split with Slavic between 1500 BCE
and 500 BCE.
To take the Lituanian proverb "God gave teeth, God will give bread"
and compare it to Sanskrit and Latin:
Lit: Dievas dave dantis; Dievas duos duonos
San: Devas adadat datas; Devas dat dhanas
Lat: Deus dedit dentes; Deus dabit panem
02-09-1998, 10:02 PM #3TriztGuest
On 09-Feb-98, email@example.com (firstname.lastname@example.org) wrote
about Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - European Languages:
- ->began to break into Gothic, German, and Scandian about 500 BC. The
- ->Germans thus, had completed their migration to Scandinavia and northern
- ->Germany by about that time. The Finns probably came later, and were
- ->forced to occupy more northerly territory. The expansion of the Slavs
- ->c. 700 AD pushed the Finno-Urgic peoples both north and west into Finland
- ->and east.
The Finnic peoples are belived to have been in Scandinavia atleast since
4000BC, this for most of the items and art (mostly those on items) are
extremely close to the Finno-Ugrian items and art in the Volga region. The
flint which has been used in north and east Scandinavia comes from Ural while
those in southwest Scandinavia comes from Denmark. There is almost no place in
whole Scandinavia which have both types of the flintstones, so no trade with
imported stones has been made between southwest and northwest. The settlments
in southwest is clearly much younger than the in northeast (there hasn't been
done much of archeology in the northen parts but those few which has done has
been of old age).
There has been two types of Finnic cultures in the area, nomadic (mostly Sami)
and farming (allmost the rest of the Balticsea Finnic peoples), the Sami has
been always lived of reindeers and have been pushed northwards of both Finnic
and Germanic peoples as those have had an higher increase in population than
the Sami. So claiming that the Finnic peoples came later on just by looking
where the Sami lives today. During the 15th/16th century the population in
JÃ¤mtland could be classed as Sami, the forcing the more to the north happens
during the mid 16th century.
- ->Lituanian and Latvian are not Finno-Urgic
Who has claimed that those would have been Finnic languages?
//Trizt of Ward^RITE
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