Avani Paladins

[RaspK_FOG]

Originally posted by "geeman"
There are plenty of examples of theologically motivated warriors of just about every stripe exhibiting what might be called "suicidal bravery." Cuiraecen`s paladins might be more or less inclined towards that kind of thing depending on how one wants to play them, and though I think it`s not a bad idea to put something like that in their code, I think it would be important to note that they shouldn`t necessarily be foolish about it. A character shouldn`t be required to do the nutty thing and take off after an opponent that is wildly beyond his capacity (read: EL) while insisting that nobody aid him in that combat.

So I guess if a single combat condition is going to be put into the class for Cuiraecen`s paladins a note that it really only applies to combat with opponents that are an appropriate challenge for the character; as in, within a level or two of his/er EL.

In case you have missed it, I mentioned a fight against a "worthy" opponent; this refers to an opponent they can take on single-handedly, neither below their capabilities (your average, typical D&D goblin should be thought of as sword fodder and acted upon appropriately by a paladin of Cuiraécen) nor beyond their ken (no much valour in living your dead body sink in the cold mud, heh?).

[tcharazazel]

Oh yeah sure, they may all be the same EL... however, their equipment could make a big difference. Like the big bad guy has 2 unholy bane weapons vs humans and adamantine full plate w/ mod fort while the paladins of Cuiraécen don't really have any magic weapons or armor. Heh, it would be their deaths really, even though they are the same EL.

So, couldn't just use EL to determine what is worthy i mean.

And I never said they would go into single combat with someone beyond them, now did I. I was just pointing out how much more risky that it would be to face the opponent single handed, rather than to all just gang up on him.

[RaspK_FOG]

I was not referring to your comments, I was referring to Gary's. And no, EL takes into account the CR of all creatures, so it would be best to say that the measure is the creature's CR. Even then, the DMG and the appropriate SRD entries have a whole bunch of information regarding improving mosters, and it is clearly pointed out (as it always was) that the CR of any creature is relative to the situation it is in.

For example, a frost worm has a CR of 12. Now, its Death Throes ability happens to be one of the most devastating abilities a monster can have, and its deals 12d6 points of cold damage and 8d6 piercing damage on everyone within 100 feet. The mighty mage who specialises in enlarged fireball spells and flight spells will surely have no trouble facing a frost worm alone. On the other hand, a 15th-level paladin of Cuiraécen would be in for a lot of trouble if he chose to face such a beast, so he trusts that his robe-clad fellow wizard will be just fine and wills his steed to stay calm as he is ready to keep the worm at bay if need be.