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  1. #1
    Mario.Floryn@rug.ac.be (
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    Vampires in Birthright

    Since so many scions or blooded people roam Cerilia, I think this world is
    a perfect place for vampires.
    I 've been playing Ravenloft for 4 years and now I'm DM-ing Birthright. I
    think there's a great opportunity here : bloodsucking creatures and blooded
    people etc. etc. Has anyone experience of this mixture or ideas???

    Mario.Floryn@rug.ac.be
    Librarian
    Department of Art, Music & Theatre Science
    Blandijnberg 2, B-9000 Ghent, Belgium.

  2. #2
    DKEvermore
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    Vampires in Birthright

    In a message dated 98-01-27 11:08:39 EST, you write:

    > Since so many scions or blooded people roam Cerilia, I think this world is
    > a perfect place for vampires.
    > I 've been playing Ravenloft for 4 years and now I'm DM-ing Birthright. I
    > think there's a great opportunity here : bloodsucking creatures and blooded
    > people etc. etc. Has anyone experience of this mixture or ideas???
    >
    Not yet, but might I guide you toward the awnshegh known as the Vampire. This
    one may give you some ideas...

    - -DKE

  3. #3
    Darkstar
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    Vampires in Birthright

    Mario Floryn wrote:
    >
    > Since so many scions or blooded people roam Cerilia, I think this world is
    > a perfect place for vampires.
    > I 've been playing Ravenloft for 4 years and now I'm DM-ing Birthright. I
    > think there's a great opportunity here : bloodsucking creatures and blooded
    > people etc. etc. Has anyone experience of this mixture or ideas???

    In my campaign I say that a the blood of the blooded is deadly to
    vampires. Scions carry in the a portion of the blood of a god and that
    power destroys undead. It is sort of like drinking holy water.
    After all I didn't want a whole horde of blooded vampires running around
    the place did I now.
    Although I doubt an vampire being undead could gain a bloodline anyway.

    - --
    Ian Hoskins

    e-Mail: hoss@box.net.au
    ICQ: 2938300
    Home Page: http://www.box.net.au/~hoss/birth.html

    From the Darkness we came,
    and to the Darkness we will return.

  4. #4
    Mark A Vandermeulen
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    Vampires in Birthright

    On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Mario Floryn wrote:

    > Since so many scions or blooded people roam Cerilia, I think this world is
    > a perfect place for vampires.
    > I 've been playing Ravenloft for 4 years and now I'm DM-ing Birthright. I
    > think there's a great opportunity here : bloodsucking creatures and blooded
    > people etc. etc. Has anyone experience of this mixture or ideas???

    In my games, I prefer all regular vampires to be sired by and therefore
    servants of the awnsheighlein known as the Vampire (located in The
    Vampire's Hold, strangely enough, in the southern Brecht lands). I see
    them as in some ways the perfect spies and assassins for his nefarious
    schemes. I allow vampires to suck 1 bloodline strength point for every 10
    hp damage they do when "sucking." Obviously it is better to keep your prey
    around for a while, gradually drawing down their blood strength, rather
    than doing the "big gulp." Of course, the Vampire regularly takes his
    "tribute" from all of his servants, thus strengthening his own bloodline.
    In order to make a vampire, the Vampire has to "dontate" 10 rp of blood to
    the new vampire, so he'll never have a whole army of them (or at least not
    for a very long time). Besides, being of a chaotic nature, while they may
    make good spies and assassins, they will never make very good troops.

    Mark VanderMeulen
    vander+@pitt.edu

  5. #5
    Tripp
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    Vampires in Birthright

    Mario Floryn wrote:
    >
    > Since so many scions or blooded people roam Cerilia, I think this world is
    > a perfect place for vampires.
    > I 've been playing Ravenloft for 4 years and now I'm DM-ing Birthright. I
    > think there's a great opportunity here : bloodsucking creatures and blooded
    > people etc. etc. Has anyone experience of this mixture or ideas???
    >
    > Mario.Floryn@rug.ac.be
    > Librarian
    > Department of Art, Music & Theatre Science
    > Blandijnberg 2, B-9000 Ghent, Belgium.

    Well, with "The Vampire" being an awnsheigh you have a very powerful
    one. What is his name? Britter Kalt, or something like that?

    Tripp

  6. #6
    Brian Stoner
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    Vampires in Birthright

    Vampires in Cerilia, eh? Now you all got me thinking. Perhaps there are two
    kinds of Vampires in BR (3 if you include The Vampire Awnshegh) The first kind
    is the normal undead kind that we are all used to. They are damaged/killed by
    the blood of scions as Darkstar suggested (depending on the derivation...). The
    second kind of vampire is not undead, and actually gains power from the blood of
    scions. Perhaps they are spawn of The Vampire, or scions in their own right.
    I'm thinking an entirely new creature, actually. The only thing that the two
    kinds of vampires (undead and scion sucking) have in common is that they both
    drink blood. Other than that, they are quite different and unrelated. Ideas
    anyone?

    Brian

  7. #7
    Squirrel06
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    Vampires in Birthright

    ravenloft is the gayiest campaign world

  8. #8
    Neil Barnes
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    Vampires in Birthright

    On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Squirrel06 wrote:

    > ravenloft is the gayiest campaign world

    And to think that after all this time on this list I was worried that
    intelligent debate was dead.

    neil

  9. #9
    Reality Engineer
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    Vampires in Birthright

    >From: Squirrel06
    >To: birthright@MPGN.COM
    >Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Vampires in Birthright
    >Date: Wed, Jan 28, 1998, 11:38 AM
    >
    >ravenloft is the gayiest campaign world

    Well, then it should be marketed as such. Just think of the huge, untapped
    homosexual market out there who didn't have a clue. I'll have to go pick it
    up myself. :)

    Seriously, though, the idea of vampires in Birthright is actually an
    intriguing one. I mean, if birthright can be passed via ceremonial magic, if
    i understand it corrently, why not to a magical creature that drinks the
    blood? Just how, exactly, are the forces of birthright, lifeforce, and
    individual identity tied together, and what doors does this lead open to
    simulation, theft, and non-tradition ways of transference?

    ShyOne

  10. #10
    Dozer
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    Vampires in Birthright

    Deadly how? As I ponder this, the term "dangerous" comes to mind. I do not
    believe that a mortal may have a pure bloodline to whomever, as such would denote
    that said mortal is that god. Effects of drinking someone's blood would have to
    factor in bloodline strength, in addition to the god's reported alignment (or
    sphere of influence). Therefore, a vampire drinking the blood of a scion to
    Azrai will gain some benefit while drinking the blood of a scion to a
    good-aligned god would suffer some penalties. The blood of a scion to a
    neutral-aligned god would carry neither benefit nor penalty. My reasoning
    behind this is that blood is the water of life for the vampire. Just as drinking
    tap water will keep a person alive, drinking mineral-enriched water can keep the
    person healthy while drinking salt water can make the person sink. Taken in
    extreme amounts, the benefits will go only so far while the penalties can indead
    result in death.

    Could a vampire gain the blood abilities a scion? Yes, but only from the dark
    aligned derivations, and then only for a few days. (After all, does eating and
    drinking one day keep you alive for more than a few days without?) Drinking the
    blood from neutral aligned derivations would not grant additional powers, just a
    few more days of unlife. Drinking the blood from a good aligned derivation could
    shorten the vampire's unlife, based on bloodline strength of the scion and how
    much the vampire consumed. I would rule that the vampire would know the
    difference in derivation based on taste and has enough time to react to limit the
    effects, unless said vampire has just risen from the dead and never had a chance
    to experience blood otherwise.

    In game terms, a vampire drinking all the blood of scion to a dark aligned
    derivation gains all the abilities of the scion at the same strength. This would
    last a day or two. Drinking partial amounts of a scion's blood gains a partial
    number of the scion's abilities, but a the same strength. Thus, the blood of a
    scion to Azrai with a bloodline strenght of 10 and 2 abilites would grant the
    vampire 2 abilities of strength 10, should the scion die during the feeding.
    Drinking between half and all the scion's blood grants the vampire 1 ability,
    chosen at random, with a strength of 10. Less than that, the vampire doesn't
    gain anything other benefit. The strenght and number of abilities would decrease
    over a 2 day period. Drinking the blood of another scion would not necessarily
    add to the abilities gained. Instead, the blood abilities and strength of the
    strongest scion would be granted to the vampire.

    Drinking the blood of scion to a good aligned derivation would cause the vampire
    to loose a percentage of its total hit points based on bloodline strength.
    Decrease the percentage based on how much blood the vampire consumed to a minimum
    of 1%. Hit points lost in this manner would not be fully regenerated for at
    least a day or two while the "poisonous" blood is still in the vampire's system.

    I know nothing of this "Vampire" referenced in other posts, but IMHO, vampires
    are plenty strong. Giving them permanent blood abilities will make them too
    strong. Thus, any scion killed by a vampire will loose all blood abilities in
    its unlife.

    David

    Darkstar wrote:

    > In my campaign I say that a the blood of the blooded is deadly to
    > vampires. Scions carry in the a portion of the blood of a god and that
    > power destroys undead. It is sort of like drinking holy water.
    > After all I didn't want a whole horde of blooded vampires running around
    > the place did I now.
    > Although I doubt an vampire being undead could gain a bloodline anyway.
    >
    > --
    > Ian Hoskins
    >
    > e-Mail: hoss@box.net.au
    > ICQ: 2938300
    > Home Page: http://www.box.net.au/~hoss/birth.html
    >
    > >From the Darkness we came,
    > and to the Darkness we will return.
    > ************************************************** *************************
    > >

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