[BirthRight] - Beating the Magi

[Bearcat]

>5th level Mage (not wizard) can now memorize Fireball by entering an
> extradimensional space via Rope Trick. He can't recover the spell until
> he re-enters another Rope Tick but that cost is small compared to the
> power gained. (IMHO)

Just because the 5th level Mage(not wizard) can memorize a fireball
spell doesn't mean that he can channel the mebhaigl required to actually
cast it. You've just inspired me though:

It is possible for magicians to memorize and even cast spells that
they would not normally be allowed to. It would just be very stupid for
them to try it. After they have finished casting a spell that they shouldn't
cast the magician rolls a con check with a -(5+level of spell cast). Failure
indicates that the magician's spell fails _and_ that he takes 2d8 dmg per
level of the failed spell (he also learns not to try it again).

This could be used to explain how there could be mages (unreliable
ones, but still...) before the Deismaar incident.


Bearcat
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[Geniver]

Lucky Mage, just happens to find a spellbook in the extra dimensional
space with all the spells he wants to learn.

I wonder if this would work in the Forgotten Realms (ROTFL).


James Donald Lail wrote:
>
> Oh shhhhh***ttttt I think I found a large gaping hole in the rules.
> I hope I am wrong soot holes in this PLEEEZE. :)
>
> 5th level Mage (not wizard) casts Rope Trick.
> 5th level Mage (not wizard) climbs Rope, leaves Aerbynnis space and
> enters an "extradimensional space". He studies all the spells he
> could not learn in Cerilla, among them Fireball for example.

[Bryan Ruther]

James Donald Lail wrote:

> Oh shhhhh***ttttt I think I found a large gaping hole in the rules.
> I hope I am wrong soot holes in this PLEEEZE. :)
>
> 5th level Mage (not wizard) casts Rope Trick.
> 5th level Mage (not wizard) climbs Rope, leaves Aerbynnis space and
> enters an "extradimensional space". He studies all the spells he
> could not learn in Cerilla, among them Fireball for example.
> 5th level Mage (not wizard) can now memorize Fireball by entering an
> extradimensional space via Rope Trick. He can't recover the spell until
> he re-enters another Rope Tick but that cost is small compared to the
> power gained. (IMHO)
>
> The Cat is now out of the bag. :(
>
> Proposed solutions;
>
> 1) Rope Trick is forbidden or does not work.
> 2) Rope Trick opens into Shadow World and makes a lot of noise
> doing so.
> 3) Something else.
>
> Ideas ?

The extradimentional space is:
1) Temporary. As such it has no laws of magic unique to it and thus must
confirm to the laws of magic of its point of origin.
2) Was made with Cerilian magic and thus conforms to the laws of Cerilian
magic.
3) Was cast by a magician, which is meerly a specialist with a rather large
number of barred schools.

Hope those help.

Bryan
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the equality could only be destroyed by some subsequent
circumstance...
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[Ed Stark]

At 10:43 AM 12/26/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Oh shhhhh***ttttt I think I found a large gaping hole in the rules.
>I hope I am wrong soot holes in this PLEEEZE. :)
>
>5th level Mage (not wizard) casts Rope Trick.
>5th level Mage (not wizard) climbs Rope, leaves Aerbynnis space and
> enters an "extradimensional space". He studies all the spells he
> could not learn in Cerilla, among them Fireball for example.
>5th level Mage (not wizard) can now memorize Fireball by entering an
> extradimensional space via Rope Trick. He can't recover the spell until
> he re-enters another Rope Tick but that cost is small compared to the
> power gained. (IMHO)
>
>The Cat is now out of the bag. :(
>
>Proposed solutions;
>
>1) Rope Trick is forbidden or does not work.
>2) Rope Trick opens into Shadow World and makes a lot of noise
> doing so.
>3) Something else.
>
>Ideas ?
>
3) Something else.

A big monster is waiting for the magician when he climbs down out of the
extradimensional space and it eats him before he can cast the fireball.


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Asst. Brand Manager, BIRTHRIGHT/GREYHAWK/MARVEL Group
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(soon to be http://www.tsr.com)

[Mark A Vandermeulen]

On Fri, 26 Dec 1997, James Donald Lail wrote:

> The Cat is now out of the bag. :(
>
> Proposed solutions;
>
> 1) Rope Trick is forbidden or does not work.
> 2) Rope Trick opens into Shadow World and makes a lot of noise
> doing so.
> 3) Something else.

The Book of Magecraft lists spells from the Player's Handbook which are
allowed in Cerilia, and Rope Trick is NOT one of them. Problem solved. I
quite like your solution #2 however. (evil grin)

Mark VanderMeulen
vander+@pitt.edu

[James Ruhland]

Real solution: he can "learn" the spell, but once he returns to Aerbynnis
space, he can't ever cast it because he lacks the proper connection to the
arcane that being blooded provides (or perhaps he can try to cast it, and
something nasty happens, which is prolly why magicians don't attempt this
little "trick"). IMO, best scenario for the magician: Wild Surge every time
he trys to cast a spell not normally available to Magicians. I'm sure a. .
.creative. . .DM can think of other "interesting" effects.
> >
> >5th level Mage (not wizard) casts Rope Trick.
> >5th level Mage (not wizard) climbs Rope, leaves Aerbynnis space and
> > enters an "extradimensional space". He studies all the spells he
> > could not learn in Cerilla, among them Fireball for example.
> >5th level Mage (not wizard) can now memorize Fireball by entering an
> > extradimensional space via Rope Trick. He can't recover the spell
until
> > he re-enters another Rope Tick but that cost is small compared to the
> > power gained. (IMHO)
> >
> >The Cat is now out of the bag. :(
> >
> >Proposed solutions;
> >
> >1) Rope Trick is forbidden or does not work.
> >2) Rope Trick opens into Shadow World and makes a lot of noise
> > doing so.
> >3) Something else.
> >
> >Ideas ?
> >
> 3) Something else.
>
> A big monster is waiting for the magician when he climbs down out of the
> extradimensional space and it eats him before he can cast the fireball.
>
>
> -- ->-- ->-- ->--@
> Ed Stark
> Game Designer, Wizards of the Coast/TSR Division
> Asst. Brand Manager, BIRTHRIGHT/GREYHAWK/MARVEL Group
> TSR Website: http://www.tsrinc.com
> (soon to be http://www.tsr.com)
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[prtr02@scorpion.nspco.co]

Shadow world. I treat almost any extradimensional spell in BR as opening to,
or bordering on, the Shadow world.

Randax

[Neil Barnes]

On Fri, 26 Dec 1997, James Donald Lail wrote:
> Oh shhhhh***ttttt I think I found a large gaping hole in the rules.
> I hope I am wrong soot holes in this PLEEEZE. :)



> The Cat is now out of the bag. :(
>
> Proposed solutions;
>
> 1) Rope Trick is forbidden or does not work.
> 2) Rope Trick opens into Shadow World and makes a lot of noise
> doing so.
> 3) Something else.

4) The extradimensionnal space acessed from Aebrynis is still bound by
the same laws of magic as the rest of the world, being created as a
product of thosee magical energies.

neil

[HSwiftfoot]

James Donald Lail wrote:

> Oh shhhhh***ttttt I think I found a large gaping hole in the rules.
> I hope I am wrong soot holes in this PLEEEZE. :)
>
> 5th level Mage (not wizard) casts Rope Trick.
> 5th level Mage (not wizard) climbs Rope, leaves Aerbynnis space and
> enters an "extradimensional space". He studies all the spells he
> could not learn in Cerilla, among them Fireball for example.
> 5th level Mage (not wizard) can now memorize Fireball by entering an
> extradimensional space via Rope Trick. He can't recover the spell until
> he re-enters another Rope Tick but that cost is small compared to the
> power gained. (IMHO)
>
> The Cat is now out of the bag. :(
>
> Proposed solutions;
>
> 1) Rope Trick is forbidden or does not work.
> 2) Rope Trick opens into Shadow World and makes a lot of noise
> doing so.
> 3) Something else.
>
> Ideas ?

4) The extradimensional space is actually the gut of Great Cthulhu. End of
problem.


But seriously....how is the mage going to find the spells he wants to study
inside an extradimensional space? And wouldn't he have to know about the
spells first in order to study them?!

Kevin

"The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese."