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  1. #1
    David Sean Brown
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    Rules Question - Paladin Regenc

    > Okay: Paladins collect regency from temple holdings only (full amount).
    > Question: Why?
    > IMO a paladin would not be preaching on the pulpit ... what does
    > everyone else think?

    You have misread this a bit. You will note that under law, warriors gain
    full regence for law holdings. A creful look in the PHB will show you
    that warrior is not a class, but a heading under which falls fighter,
    paladin and ranger. Thus paladins and rangers get full regency for law
    holdings plus temple/guild as appropriate.

    Sean

  2. #2
    Ed Stark
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    Rules Question - Paladin Regenc

    At 04:26 PM 1/25/98 -0800, you wrote:
    >Hi,
    >
    >Okay: Paladins collect regency from temple holdings only (full amount).
    >Question: Why?
    >IMO a paladin would not be preaching on the pulpit ... what does
    >everyone else think?
    >
    >P.S. Same goes for rangers & guilds ...
    >P.P.S. Okay, Ed & Carrie @ WotC, is there an official explanation?
    >
    >Darren
    >
    When I reviewed your question and looked on page 41 of the Rulebook, I made
    the same mistake you may have. Paladins (and rangers) are Warriors (as are
    fighters). All Warriors gain full regency from Law and Province levels.
    Paladins gain regency from Temple holdings AS WELL. Rangers gain full
    regency from Guilds IN ADDITION to their Warrior benefits.


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  3. #3
    c558382@showme.missouri.
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    Rules Question - Paladin Regenc

    On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Randall W. Porter@6550 wrote:
    > An option would be to allow temple regents to "lend" temple sources to another
    > as mages can do(outlined in BoM). These seems to work with the power of the
    > land. IMO it would be a lot harder to "lend" or "borrow" the faith your
    > followers have in you.

    It wouldn't have to be borrowing. A Paladin regent with a lieutenant
    who is a blooded Priest should install his buddy in his church hierarchy
    so that he is part of what the followers have faith in. No one suppoesed
    in the middle ages that because your bishop was appointed by the king
    instead of the Pope, your sacraments were less sacramental, &c.

    Obviously bringing some guy off the street won't work.

    Kenneth Gauck
    c558382@showme.missouri.edu

  4. #4
    DURKS 95
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    Rules Question - Paladin Regenc

    Paladins do get FULL regency from both law and temple holdings. I also think
    that the best way to keep the temple powerful with a Paladin at the helm is
    to, of course, have a Priest Liuetenant.

    Derek

  5. #5
    prtr02@scorpion.nspco.co
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    Rules Question - Paladin Regenc

    A few posts proposed that a temple with a Paladin regent should just have
    a Priest lt. to cast domain-shaking realm spells, excommunicate kings and
    emperors and declare holy wars. Bah. Why would such a powerful heirophant
    play 2nd fiddle to some glorified knight? (tradition maybe) As pointed out
    by Legends of the Hero Kings, the people follow the most glorious hero they
    can find. If the real power in the temple is the priest, the people will
    realise it over time and he'll become the true regent via the great captain
    mechanism given in the random event of the same name.

    You could, of course reverse this situation and have a Pal sway the people away
    from a Priest regent who sits around doing nothing.

    I'd make a Pal regent work overtime slaying enemies of the faith to keep a
    Priest lt. who's blessing the army before the great war, declaring holy wars
    and excommunicating kings from taking over the hearts of the people- and the
    church.

    Randax

  6. #6
    DURKS 95
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    Rules Question - Paladin Regenc

    Well the paladin that I run is a major power (though the priest is higher
    level). And has 127 honor. Honor enough that bards across the lands sing songs
    about me.

    Derek

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    c558382@showme.missouri.
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    Rules Question - Paladin Regenc

    On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Randall W. Porter@6550 wrote:

    > As pointed out by Legends of the Hero Kings, the people follow the
    > most glorious hero they can find. If the real power in the temple is
    > the priest, the people will realise it over time and he'll become the
    > true regent via the great captain mechanism given in the random event of
    > the same name.

    There no saying that the priest you bring in has to be more glorious than
    you. The real measure of ability to rule is your birthright, that is your
    Blood Strength. If a Paladin with a minor blood line (say 18 pts) were to
    have a lieut with a higher blood strength (say above 25), then I see a
    problem down the road. If Assan ibn Daouta (Khinasi Paladin ruler of
    Elinie major bloodline of 47 Ba) wanted to bring the Life and Protection
    of Avanalae under his protection (maybe Fhylie the Sword belives that
    unless the people of Elinie embrace the teachings of Cuiraecen, the Gorgon
    will make short work of the land in a comming rampage) In such an event,
    it would take some real powerhouse of a priest to be any threat to Daouta.

    Your allies and lieuts should be weaker than you (level is covered in the
    henchem rules modified by blood) but a lieut with a much higher blood
    strength should really be a "page" kind of relationship. You both know he
    will move along when he gets strong enough, but until then he hopes to
    advance in level, knowledge, make contacts, develope leads, &c, &c.

    By the same token there is no reason a scribe (sages and specialists)
    couldn't be High Priest if he had the bloodstrength. I would imagine such
    a temple would concentrate during his tenure on administrative and
    organizational issues.

    Kenneth Gauck
    c558382@showme.missouri.edu

  8. #8
    prtr02@scorpion.nspco.co
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    Rules Question - Paladin Regenc

    On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Randall W. Porter@6550 wrote:

    > As pointed out by Legends of the Hero Kings, the people follow the
    > most glorious hero they can find. If the real power in the temple is
    > the priest, the people will realise it over time and he'll become the
    > true regent via the great captain mechanism given in the random event of
    > the same name.

    There no saying that the priest you bring in has to be more glorious than
    you. The real measure of ability to rule is your birthright, that is your
    Blood Strength. If a Paladin with a minor blood line (say 18 pts) were to
    have a lieut with a higher blood strength (say above 25), then I see a
    problem down the road. If Assan ibn Daouta (Khinasi Paladin ruler of
    Elinie major bloodline of 47 Ba) wanted to bring the Life and Protection
    of Avanalae under his protection (maybe Fhylie the Sword belives that
    unless the people of Elinie embrace the teachings of Cuiraecen, the Gorgon
    will make short work of the land in a comming rampage) In such an event,
    it would take some real powerhouse of a priest to be any threat to Daouta.

    I don't think bloodline strength is the only factor. BR regents are supposed
    to be Hero Kings. If Daouta sits around doing nothing, while the High Priest
    of Life and Protection is casting realm spells, leading the armies and
    embarking on kingdom-saving adventures, this Lt. is the de facto regent and
    should be made such.

    Randax

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    c558382@showme.missouri.
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    Rules Question - Paladin Regenc

    On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Randall W. Porter@6550 wrote:

    > I don't think bloodline strength is the only factor. BR regents are supposed
    > to be Hero Kings. If Daouta sits around doing nothing, while the High Priest
    > of Life and Protection is casting realm spells, leading the armies and
    > embarking on kingdom-saving adventures, this Lt. is the de facto regent and
    > should be made such.

    I cannot concieve of an unending crop of hero-kings. I think people are
    mostly idiots, and the few compitant ones among them are ignored, locked
    up, or hated. Most realms are, in my opinion, poorly run and sadly
    governed. The hero-king is an ideal my players should aspire to. The
    poor little Overthane in Baruk-Azhik looks out and sees civil war in
    Rhormarch, malaise in Coeranys, and a usurper in Osoerde. Hardly a happy
    example of hero-kings. He is left with few allies and must forge ahead on
    the basis of his own heroism. Too bad there are no hero-kings to pick up
    the pieces there and ally with the Overthane. (hint-hint players)

    Kenneth Gauck
    c558382@showme.missouri.edu

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