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  1. #1
    Martijn Buijs

    William the Conqueror

    Talking about vassalage of the Norman dukes
    to the King of France. Well, remember this:

    William the Conqueror left his most important
    lands, eg NORMANDY, to his oldest son, while
    the younger one got the 'conquered piece of
    land' that was England. So, the oldest son
    became Duke of Normandy (and still owing fealty
    to the French kings, technically), while the
    older son (I believe his name was Rufus) became
    the new King of England.

  2. #2
    E Gray

    William the Conqueror

    - -----Original Message-----
    To: birthright@MPGN.COM
    Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 10:55 PM
    Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - William the Conqueror

    >Actually the feudal system is French, and was adapted to conditions in
    >England and Germany. It is not English in origin, nor did William of
    >Normandy invent it from whole cloth.

    Actually the feudal system originated from various practices of the
    Romans and Germanic Tribes of the Franks. France
    is pretty much our traditional model, but there were variations of the
    system in places such as Russia, India, China and Japan.

    William the Conqueror didn't invent the system, but he did introduce
    it to England, and modified it so that all vassals swore fealty to him
    and most fiefs were scattered about so no lords control large regions
    unlike in France, where duchies like Normandy, Burgundy, and
    Aquitane, were actually larger than the King's domain.

  3. #3
    Samuel Weiss

    William the Conqueror

    Medieval Japan as classical feudalism? Until the next war for the Regency
    starts maybe. Then its all lip service to loyalty and mass murder. At least
    some Europeans acted on the nonsense.


  4. #4
    Neil Barnes

    William the Conqueror

    On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Tripp wrote:
    > As for Birthright, I also believe there should not be circular
    > vassalage. It would be silly for person A to give 3RP to person B who
    > passes 5RP to person C who himself gives 4RP to person A.
    > In any event, in the games I DM, it won't happen, and I suppose this is
    > probably an issue where each DM needs to make his own decision.

    I can imagine it coming up during play, and I wouldn't ban it or
    anything. But I'd imagine it would be a) pretty rare, and b) the result
    of an inherently unstable situation, which would correct itself sooner
    or later.


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