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    Ed Stark
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    Tribes of the Heartless Wastes

    The question about the 1998 Spring Catalog prompts me to send this message
    to the list as well, regarding TRIBES OF THE HEARTLESS WASTES, the campaign
    expansion for Vosgaard.

    Okay, as many of you already know, in order to put out TRIBES without
    raising the cost, we simply HAD to get it out of that box format. Plus,
    Vosgaard isn't a place like any other on Cerilia--there just aren't two or
    three dozen suitable PC realms, and we think DMs WON'T want their players
    to read through NPC-only information, so we made the following changes to
    the format:

    *This is a two-book set, one 32-page Player's Chronicle and one 64-page
    DM's Guidebook.
    The PC contains several realms that we (the author, myself, and the BR
    group--including Anne Brown, Harold Johnson, and, of course, Carrie Bebris)
    thought appropriate for player character rulership. It also includes
    information players should know about Vosgaard (the history, the culture,
    etc.) and SOME info about the other realms (some rumors, legends, and false
    information is included).
    The DG describes the rest of the realms in varying ways. There are NPC,
    Awnshegh, and Monster realms (like Molochev, the Raven's Domain, and Kal
    Kalathor), but there are also "Wild Lands" that have never been tamed.
    These realms, such as areas like the Mistmoor, the Icemarch, and the Battle
    Fens, have descriptions addressed to the DM as places heroes can go to
    adventure or forge their own realms. The DM and the players will have to
    use the information presented in the BR Basic Set to create their own
    domains and set their own province levels (it's pretty easy, as most of you
    know), and the DM has plenty of legends and rumors to set up adventures in
    those areas with.

    *There is only passing information on Torova Temylatin.
    I intend to cover "Fish Island" in more detail in later product--and not
    much later. There are a few hints, but you'll just have to trust me ...

    *There are fewer war cards.
    We tried to cut costs enough to include a full set of war cards, but it
    just wasn't possible. So, instead, we focused on creating all the "generic"
    Vos units you should need, plus a few notable units of Vos and monsters.
    We're looking at 32 war cards. Sorry if this doesn't seem like enough, but,
    honestly, I think you'd rather we cut the numbers down than out altogether.

    *These books have a LOT more interesting info crammed into them.
    This is my opinion. I wrote HAVENS and liked both CITIES and RUINS. I
    think Vosgaard, word for word, has more information you, as players and DMs
    in the BIRTHRIGHT campaign, than any of our other expansions. We cut down
    some of the components, but we made every effort to cram as much cool info
    into these books as we could. They'll be out next month; you'll have to let
    me know if we succeeded.

    *BTW, in my opinion, this book has the best art of all the BR stuff so far.
    Tony Szczudlo did the cover (and had a lot more freedom than he's every had
    before) and he and Randy Post (I believe) did ALL the interior B&W artwork.
    It looks FANTASTIC (I just saw it again on its way through layout).

    Hope this answers upcoming questions ...


    -- ->-- ->-- ->--@
    Ed Stark
    Game Designer, Wizards of the Coast/TSR Division
    Asst. Brand Manager, BIRTHRIGHT/GREYHAWK/MARVEL Group
    TSR Website: http://www.tsrinc.com
    (soon to be http://www.tsr.com)

  2. #2
    Craig Greeson
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    Tribes of the Heartless Wastes

    Ed Stark wrote:

    > The question about the 1998 Spring Catalog prompts me to send this message
    > to the list as well, regarding TRIBES OF THE HEARTLESS WASTES, the campaign
    > expansion for Vosgaard.



    > *This is a two-book set, one 32-page Player's Chronicle and one 64-page
    > DM's Guidebook.
    >
    >
    > *These books have a LOT more interesting info crammed into them.
    > This is my opinion. I wrote HAVENS and liked both CITIES and RUINS. I
    > think Vosgaard, word for word, has more information you, as players and DMs
    > in the BIRTHRIGHT campaign, than any of our other expansions.

    Ed,
    This sounds like it is going to be a great product. I love the 3 expansions that
    have already come out, but I agree with your implication that they could have had
    even more "usable" information in them than they did. The decision to not have an
    adventure in HotGB was a good one. I enjoyed the adventures in the first 2, but
    they took up a big chunk of the product's space. This space could have been
    particularly well used in the Cities of the Sun expansion which, unfortunately, had
    so many realms and so few available pages that Rich Baker could only devote a single
    page to several of them. The concept of having 1 book for PCs and 1 for the DM
    sounds good, as long as there is some "meaty" info. in the PCs book. IMHO, I'd much
    rather have an accessory with maximum game info. rather than something with lots of
    full page artwork and numerous separate insert cards. I can't wait to get my hands
    on it (that goes for the Book of Priestcraft as well - you're sure it shipped,
    right?).

    Regards and Keep Up the Great Work
    Craig Greeson

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    Eric Tighe
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    Tribes of the Heartless Wastes

    EWW, AHH, cna't wait, hey santa you listening
    - -----Original Message-----
    From: Ed Stark
    To: birthright@MPGN.COM
    Date: Saturday, November 08, 1997 5:49 PM
    Subject: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Tribes of the Heartless Wastes


    >The question about the 1998 Spring Catalog prompts me to send this message
    >to the list as well, regarding TRIBES OF THE HEARTLESS WASTES, the campaign
    >expansion for Vosgaard.
    >
    >Okay, as many of you already know, in order to put out TRIBES without
    >raising the cost, we simply HAD to get it out of that box format. Plus,
    >Vosgaard isn't a place like any other on Cerilia--there just aren't two or
    >three dozen suitable PC realms, and we think DMs WON'T want their players
    >to read through NPC-only information, so we made the following changes to
    >the format:
    >
    >*This is a two-book set, one 32-page Player's Chronicle and one 64-page
    >DM's Guidebook.
    > The PC contains several realms that we (the author, myself, and the BR
    >group--including Anne Brown, Harold Johnson, and, of course, Carrie Bebris)
    >thought appropriate for player character rulership. It also includes
    >information players should know about Vosgaard (the history, the culture,
    >etc.) and SOME info about the other realms (some rumors, legends, and false
    >information is included).
    > The DG describes the rest of the realms in varying ways. There are NPC,
    >Awnshegh, and Monster realms (like Molochev, the Raven's Domain, and Kal
    >Kalathor), but there are also "Wild Lands" that have never been tamed.
    >These realms, such as areas like the Mistmoor, the Icemarch, and the Battle
    >Fens, have descriptions addressed to the DM as places heroes can go to
    >adventure or forge their own realms. The DM and the players will have to
    >use the information presented in the BR Basic Set to create their own
    >domains and set their own province levels (it's pretty easy, as most of you
    >know), and the DM has plenty of legends and rumors to set up adventures in
    >those areas with.
    >
    >*There is only passing information on Torova Temylatin.
    > I intend to cover "Fish Island" in more detail in later product--and not
    >much later. There are a few hints, but you'll just have to trust me ...
    >
    >*There are fewer war cards.
    > We tried to cut costs enough to include a full set of war cards, but it
    >just wasn't possible. So, instead, we focused on creating all the "generic"
    >Vos units you should need, plus a few notable units of Vos and monsters.
    >We're looking at 32 war cards. Sorry if this doesn't seem like enough, but,
    >honestly, I think you'd rather we cut the numbers down than out altogether.
    >
    >*These books have a LOT more interesting info crammed into them.
    > This is my opinion. I wrote HAVENS and liked both CITIES and RUINS. I
    >think Vosgaard, word for word, has more information you, as players and DMs
    >in the BIRTHRIGHT campaign, than any of our other expansions. We cut down
    >some of the components, but we made every effort to cram as much cool info
    >into these books as we could. They'll be out next month; you'll have to let
    >me know if we succeeded.
    >
    >*BTW, in my opinion, this book has the best art of all the BR stuff so far.
    >Tony Szczudlo did the cover (and had a lot more freedom than he's every had
    >before) and he and Randy Post (I believe) did ALL the interior B&W artwork.
    >It looks FANTASTIC (I just saw it again on its way through layout).
    >
    >Hope this answers upcoming questions ...
    >
    >
    > -- ->-- ->-- ->--@
    >Ed Stark
    >Game Designer, Wizards of the Coast/TSR Division
    >Asst. Brand Manager, BIRTHRIGHT/GREYHAWK/MARVEL Group
    >TSR Website: http://www.tsrinc.com
    >(soon to be http://www.tsr.com)
    >************************************************* **************************
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    Tribes of the Heartless Wastes

    Ed Stark wrote:

    >*There are fewer war cards.
    > We tried to cut costs enough to include a full set of war cards, but it
    >just wasn't possible. So, instead, we focused on creating all the "generic"
    >Vos units you should need, plus a few notable units of Vos and monsters.
    >We're looking at 32 war cards. Sorry if this doesn't seem like enough, but,
    >honestly, I think you'd rather we cut the numbers down than out altogether.

    Hey Ed

    Gee, as I am producing warcards myself I would be eager to see the
    missing warcards
    on the BR-homepage. It would be sad to waste these by putting them into
    an old, dusty box in your cellar because they were of no use in TotHW.

    Please, please (really cute little eyes) PLEASE!

    Best,

    Manni

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    Ken & Mary
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    Tribes of the Heartless Wastes

    voelkman wrote:

    > Gee, as I am producing warcards myself I would be eager to see the
    > missing warcards
    > on the BR-homepage. It would be sad to waste these by putting them into
    > an old, dusty box in your cellar because they were of no use in TotHW.

    > Manni

    Mannie if it is convenient I would like to see some of the WARCARDS you
    designed. Please respond by Email.

    Thanks,
    Ken (ke-mar@pacbell.net)

  6. #6
    Ed Stark
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    Tribes of the Heartless Wastes

    At 08:51 AM 11/11/97 +0200, you wrote:
    >Ed Stark wrote:
    >
    >>*There are fewer war cards.
    >> We tried to cut costs enough to include a full set of war cards, but it
    >>just wasn't possible. So, instead, we focused on creating all the "generic"
    >>Vos units you should need, plus a few notable units of Vos and monsters.
    >>We're looking at 32 war cards. Sorry if this doesn't seem like enough, but,
    >>honestly, I think you'd rather we cut the numbers down than out altogether.
    >
    >Hey Ed
    >
    >Gee, as I am producing warcards myself I would be eager to see the
    >missing warcards
    >on the BR-homepage. It would be sad to waste these by putting them into
    >an old, dusty box in your cellar because they were of no use in TotHW.
    >

    When I said we didn't include more than 32 war cards, I meant we didn't
    MAKE more than 32 war cards for TRIBES. Sorry I was unclear. What this
    really amounts to is that you don't have lots of copies of individual
    units--and fewer named units or really wierd ones from other packs. You'll
    notice, for example, that the basic box includes 3 Anuirean Elite Infantry
    and 6 Anuirean Pikemen. Well, in TRIBES, you get 1 Vos Elite Infantry unit
    and 1 Vos Pikemen. We did include a few "named" units, like the Molochev
    Sarveklos, the Sword Rust Pikes, and the Rovarsski Varsk Riders but, again,
    there's one of each in most cases.

    We chose variety over depth. Hopefully, you can use index cards or other
    war cards to reflect multiple units of the same type.

    -- ->-- ->-- ->--@
    Ed Stark
    Game Designer, Wizards of the Coast/TSR Division
    Asst. Brand Manager, BIRTHRIGHT/GREYHAWK/MARVEL Group
    TSR Website: http://www.tsrinc.com
    (soon to be http://www.tsr.com)

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