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  1. #1
    Ed Stark
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    Rules Clarification Regency Col

    At 11:19 AM 10/22/97 +0200, you wrote:
    >I have a question regarding the regency collection of thieves/guilders
    >and their trade routes.
    >
    >The book says: Trade Route Thief/Guilder (1 RP per GB produced)
    >
    >Now does this mean the that the character gets a regency point for every
    >gold bar that he makes on the trade route, or does he get a regency
    >point for every gold bar the trade route is worth.

    He/she should get 1 RP for every GB the trade route is worth to him/her.
    Remember, while RP can be passed between characters, it's not actually hard
    currency. The RP transfers to the guild holder based on what he/she SHOULD
    be getting. Now, taxes can be RP in nature as well ...

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  2. #2
    Eric Beaudoin
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    Rules Clarification Regency Col

    At 09:26 1997.10.22 -0700, Ed Stark wrote:
    >At 11:19 AM 10/22/97 +0200, you wrote:
    >>I have a question regarding the regency collection of thieves/guilders
    >>and their trade routes.
    >>
    >>The book says: Trade Route Thief/Guilder (1 RP per GB produced)
    >>
    >>Now does this mean the that the character gets a regency point for every
    >>gold bar that he makes on the trade route, or does he get a regency
    >>point for every gold bar the trade route is worth.
    >
    >He/she should get 1 RP for every GB the trade route is worth to him/her.
    >Remember, while RP can be passed between characters, it's not actually hard
    >currency. The RP transfers to the guild holder based on what he/she SHOULD
    >be getting. Now, taxes can be RP in nature as well ...
    >
    > -- ->-- ->-- ->--@
    >Ed Stark

    This bring another question our group had problems with: does the RP
    generated for a trade route is add to the PC domain power or is it paid
    directly to the PC regardless of his bloodline?

    Ex: PC Bloodline = 30, Domain power = 42. A new trade route that is worth 6
    GB is created. Does the PC gets 36 RP or 30 RP for the next turn?

    We decided that it would be included in the domain power because we felt
    that thief PC would be to powerful otherwise (the thiefs already get so
    much money). I just wander what is the official answer to that one. The
    rules are not very clear and it would be a good thing to clear this a bit
    for the upcoming Birthright hardcover :-).

    Best
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  3. #3
    David Sean Brown
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    Rules Clarification Regency Col

    > > This bring another question our group had problems with: does the RP
    > > generated for a trade route is add to the PC domain power or is it paid
    > > directly to the PC regardless of his bloodline?
    > >
    > > Ex: PC Bloodline = 30, Domain power = 42. A new trade route that is worth
    > 6
    > > GB is created. Does the PC gets 36 RP or 30 RP for the next turn?
    > >
    > He gets 30; otherwise thieves would be gods.

    Then why is vassalage counted after this total..that would make stronger
    regents even stronger. If you read the rules on calculating domain power,
    the regency gained from trade routes and tribute aren't included, so by
    omission, it would seem they both get added on after the total.

    Sean

  4. #4
    James Ruhland
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    Rules Clarification Regency Col

    >
    > Then why is vassalage counted after this total..that would make stronger
    > regents even stronger. If you read the rules on calculating domain
    power,
    > the regency gained from trade routes and tribute aren't included, so by
    > omission, it would seem they both get added on after the total.
    >
    If you want to run your campaign that way, by all means. My opinion is as I
    stated; thieves get enough by controlling the lion share of the wealth in
    Cerilia. You want to give them the lion share of the regency as well? Why I
    think this is diferent from what is attained through tribute: You have to
    prove your might to gain the loyalty of a vassal, and that vassal can, in
    theory, suspend his tribute to you at any time. Thus, you have to be
    stronger in the 1st place; "yah, but like I said, that would make stronger
    regents even stronger;" the way of the world, my lad, the way of the world.
    On the other hand, giving thief regents this advantage would make them gods
    without them first having to be strong. They would gain this regency
    without 1st having to persuade (or force) others of their might, just as a
    part of their normal duities. If the regency gained through trade was
    analogous to the regency gained through tribute, then regents of any class
    should be able to recieve it, but they do not.

  5. #5
    Ed Stark
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    Rules Clarification Regency Col

    At 10:07 PM 10/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
    >This bring another question our group had problems with: does the RP
    >generated for a trade route is add to the PC domain power or is it paid
    >directly to the PC regardless of his bloodline?
    snip
    >We decided that it would be included in the domain power because we felt
    >that thief PC would be to powerful otherwise (the thiefs already get so
    >much money). I just wander what is the official answer to that one. The
    >rules are not very clear and it would be a good thing to clear this a bit
    >for the upcoming Birthright hardcover :-).

    That's right; all regency collected automatically counts toward domain
    power (and is limited by the regent's bloodline). However, a regent may be
    given as much RP (by a vassal, an ally, or someone hoping to court the
    character's favor) as the DM allows. I know it doesn't say in the rules
    that a DM should limit the amount of RP one character can give another, but
    I make my players roleplay the situation out and explain how they can
    transfer their peoples' support to another regent on a quantitative basis.

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  6. #6
    Neil Barnes
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    Rules Clarification Regency Col

    On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Eric Beaudoin wrote:
    > This bring another question our group had problems with: does the RP
    > generated for a trade route is add to the PC domain power or is it paid
    > directly to the PC regardless of his bloodline?
    >
    > Ex: PC Bloodline = 30, Domain power = 42. A new trade route that is worth 6
    > GB is created. Does the PC gets 36 RP or 30 RP for the next turn?

    And do vassals add to domain power, or are paid direct to the PC? We
    figured on the second, based on the stats for Darian Avan in RoE.

    neil

  7. #7
    Bryan Ruther
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    Rules Clarification Regency Col

    Jan P. M. Arnoldus wrote:

    > I have a question regarding the regency collection of thieves/guilders
    > and their trade routes.
    >
    > The book says: Trade Route Thief/Guilder (1 RP per GB produced)
    >
    > Now does this mean the that the character gets a regency point for every
    > gold bar that he makes on the trade route, or does he get a regency
    > point for every gold bar the trade route is worth. I'll explain this
    > with an example.



    The Original message only goes to show that there are
    some problems with the level of rewards for trade
    routes, the amount of gold (and regency for theives) is
    VERY high, IMC any regents who could reasonably
    make a claim on the money will try to do so (Anyone
    remember the "Share the wealth" card from the board
    game LIFE?). I have even toyed with the idea of using
    the value of a trade route as a guide for the die type rolled
    to determine actual gold produced, with the value of the
    trade route being the maximum gold generated. It works
    fine for NPC guild holders who are vassals of PCs.

    Bryan


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  8. #8
    Adam Theo
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    Rules Clarification Regency Col

    Neil Barnes wrote:
    >
    > On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Eric Beaudoin wrote:
    > > This bring another question our group had problems with: does the RP
    > > generated for a trade route is add to the PC domain power or is it paid
    > > directly to the PC regardless of his bloodline?
    > >
    > > Ex: PC Bloodline = 30, Domain power = 42. A new trade route that is worth 6
    > > GB is created. Does the PC gets 36 RP or 30 RP for the next turn?
    >
    > And do vassals add to domain power, or are paid direct to the PC? We
    > figured on the second, based on the stats for Darian Avan in RoE.
    >
    > neil
    >
    > ************************************************** *************************
    > > - --
    hello, Adam Theo here,
    i've said that all RP that is generated by the regent's domain is
    restricted by his bloodline. so trade routes and such are put in before
    bloodline is applied.
    things that are not of a regent's domain are added after the bloodline.
    vassals, grants, artifacts, etc.

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