View Poll Results: Sanction Chap 2 - Blood and Regency

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  • Yes - Sanction the Chapter

    17 62.96%
  • No - Don't sanction the Chapter

    9 33.33%
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    Alright, as I promised it is time to vote on santioning Chapter 2 of the BRCS, Blood and Regency.

    Only the blood abilities bloodform and bloodtrait will be changed after this 'sanctioning' due to the fact that we still need to hammer out how to handle awn/ersh.

    This poll will remain open for approximately 2 weeks. Let's shoot for closing of the poll 3/26-3/27/04.

    You will have to access the poll via the website and not the mail serv. Sorry, but I can't count votes any other way

    The goal is to have approximately twice as many "for" votes as "against".

    Here is the zipped Word version.
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    Here is the pdf version. Sorry it took me so long to post, but my converter was disabled and it took me a while to find how to re-enable it.
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    Time is running out on this poll. Currently the votes are 10 for sanctioning and 3 against with no abstaining votes.
    Duane Eggert

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    I would have voted not to sanction Chapter 2 but wanted to see how others had voted. Which made my vote a null vote, which is basically an abstention, right?

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    Polls are held for you to vote! Please, do us a favour and choose, not ask us to choose for you: if you find the revised 2nd Chapter to be to your liking (which you apparently don't), vote for it, otherwise, against it; if you don't know, abstention is the way...

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    :angry:

    I don't know why, but I found your "Please, do us a favour and choose, not ask us to choose for you" statement really rude.

    I am not asking anyone to choose for me, and in the future I will not Null Vote. I was just making my situation known and asking a question. If you couldn't answer it civilly (which you obviously couldn't), then you shouldn't have answered it at all.

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    I don't know...

    I think I like the Scion classes even less than the 7th ability score. Maybe I'm old and grey, but I'd still greately favor a system for bloodlines that were more like the 2E one.

    I also think that the Highlander-style elements should go dig a hole, hid in it and never show its ugly head again.

    No, this is changing from one bad system to another.

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    I'm another no vote.

    This system does not improve on the old one, and more importantly, all the inline variants make it damn near impossible to read.

    CM.

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    At 12:21 AM 3/25/2004 +0100, Green Knight wrote:



    >I think I like the Scion classes even less than the 7th ability score.

    >Maybe I`m old and grey, but I`d still greately favor a system for

    >bloodlines that were more like the 2E one.



    When it comes to portraying bloodline I`ve come to the conclusion that most

    of the actual mathematical values should just remain what they were to

    begin with. Certain things need to be updated or revised (a couple tables,

    for example, and the blood abilities themselves cry out for revision) but

    there`s really no need to portray bloodline as a character class (a la

    Savage Species) in order to do so.



    >I also think that the Highlander-style elements should go dig a hole, hid

    >in it and never show its ugly head again.



    Well, I wouldn`t stick `em in a hole, but I don`t care for the exploding

    scion system either. It`s too weird, too different from the original ideas

    presented in the BR system and just seems like something that is

    unnecessary. Coming up with a method to portray being stabbed in the heart

    is difficult in D&D, but having scions blow up and disperse their bloodline

    in a blast radius isn`t the way to go.



    Gary

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    >I think I like the Scion classes even less than the 7th ability score.
    >Maybe I`m old and grey, but I`d still greately favor a system for
    >bloodlines that were more like the 2E one.

    When it comes to portraying bloodline I`ve come to the conclusion that most
    of the actual mathematical values should just remain what they were to
    begin with. Certain things need to be updated or revised (a couple tables,
    for example, and the blood abilities themselves cry out for revision) but
    there`s really no need to portray bloodline as a character class (a la
    Savage Species) in order to do so.
    I guess you didn't really pay attention to that link I supplied at the WotC' site or how UA is written. Sorry for sounding obnoxious and condescending here, no offense is intended. Really I mean I don't want to sound that way but its hard to get around people not quite seeing the 'obvious' trend at WotC. But the new "official" WotC standard for expressing level adjustments is to use a class based system. Now, if people don't think that there should be level adjustments involved with bloodlines that is an entirely new arguement - especialy since in the past most people were in favor of some kind of level adjustment (people just couldn't agree on the type).

    The other reason that a scion class level system works is that it makes things easier to port into an adventure-based or domain based campaign system, where the things that 'contibute' to a level adjustment don't all come into consideration.

    >I also think that the Highlander-style elements should go dig a hole, hid
    >in it and never show its ugly head again.

    Well, I wouldn`t stick `em in a hole, but I don`t care for the exploding
    scion system either. It`s too weird, too different from the original ideas
    presented in the BR system and just seems like something that is
    unnecessary. Coming up with a method to portray being stabbed in the heart
    is difficult in D&D, but having scions blow up and disperse their bloodline
    in a blast radius isn`t the way to go.

    Gary
    Actually the scion doesn't "explode", that was never written in any version of Chap 2 nor in the Book of Doom , which had the concept first presented. What happens is that his regency or divine essence is released. One thing I found good about this system was that it reproduced in a minor way what happened at Deismaar. I'm surprised you hadn't recognized the similarities.
    Duane Eggert

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