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10-02-1997, 02:31 AM #1Martijn BuijsGuest
Dragons
Ed Stark wrote:
I know of four living Cerilian dragons that are (or have been) in
published material, but that's just off the top of my head. Little
BR quiz--can you name and place the four I'm thinking of? Are there
more?
1) Tarazin the Gray, the mightiest dragon on Cerilia.
He could probably kick the Gorgon's butt in single combat.
Sleeps somewhere in the Drachenaur mountains.
From Dragon 218.
2) Zakhur Lifesbane, Guardian of the Five Peaks
From Dragon 230
3) Komassa, a Cerilian dracolich in service of the Warlock
From Warlock of the Stonecrowns
I don't remember other dragons that are still alive.
Quite a few dead ones are mentioned, though:
Weyrzak (Dragon 230)
Mother of Zakhur Lifesbane, died from wounds she
received at Deismaar, still haunts the Five Peaks as
some sort of spirit (but that doesn't really count,
does it?)
Nargest (Dragon 230)
Adurian stonedragon; slain at Deismaar by Weyrzak.
Azakadazar (Dragon 218)
Slain at Deismaar by Tarazin the Gray; defended the
dwarves of Khurin Azur against Tarazin's onslaught,
but failed.
Raizhadik (Dragon 218)
Slain by Raesene in Kal-Saitharak just after Deismaar.
Infyrna (Dragon 218)
Killed by Tarazin the Gray in Merasaf.
The dragon of Tuarhievel (DS)
Killed by human adventurers.
Saeryk the Warlock (W of the Stonecrowns)
Also knoown as the Wyrm, this abomination can take the shape of
a shadow dragon. But I don't think he counts, either... He is
still alive, though.
So, what's that fourth dragon you were talking about, Ed?
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03-10-1998, 11:54 AM #2Neil BarnesGuest
Dragons
On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Anthony K.G.Shewan wrote:
> Dragons are
> great I like dragons, the game is called Advanced Dungeons & Dragons for a
> reason, but dragons are not and never have been divine. Can dragons have
> bloodlines? Sure, the designers have given Bloodlines to a wild pig and a
> wolf why not a dragon.
I'd just like to add that the purpose of Dragons in just about every
story in which they turn up is to be brutally slaughtered by the hero
in order to prove his general status as a bloke-whose-pint-should-not-
be-spilled.
AD&D players seem to have a fetish for turning them into unbeatable
things. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be hard, but I kind of prefer
Smaug (big lizard sleeping on a pile of treasure who just burns things
when he gets annoyed) to some of the scheming arch-mage wannabes
currently appearing in Dragon.
So far Cerilian Dragons have been getting the mix pretty much right, so
I'm happy...
neil
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03-10-1998, 03:06 PM #3relve@Otdk.Helsinki.FGuest
Dragons
> On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Anthony K.G.Shewan wrote:
> > Dragons are
> > great I like dragons, the game is called Advanced Dungeons & Dragons for a
> > reason, but dragons are not and never have been divine. Can dragons have
> > bloodlines? Sure, the designers have given Bloodlines to a wild pig and a
> > wolf why not a dragon.
Mhmmm... In as far as I can remember these designers have also
denied the dragons of the divine spark. Tarzin the Grey (or was it
the dragon who crashed in Five Peaks?), for example, who survived the
explosion at Deismaar, was "merely" stunned and did not got any
divine essence.
Kaarel
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03-18-1998, 12:10 AM #4Tim NuttingGuest
Dragons
> Mhmmm... In as far as I can remember these designers have also
> denied the dragons of the divine spark. Tarzin the Grey (or was it
> the dragon who crashed in Five Peaks?), for example, who survived the
> explosion at Deismaar, was "merely" stunned and did not got any
> divine essence.
Again, alignment is eveything. Tarizin spent half the battle on Azrai's
side, and then switched (I think). He was in the neutral ground, a fence
rider, and thus didn't get anything (oh well)
Tim
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03-18-1998, 02:27 AM #5David Sean BrownGuest
Dragons
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> Again, alignment is eveything. Tarizin spent half the battle on Azrai's
> side, and then switched (I think). He was in the neutral ground, a fence
> rider, and thus didn't get anything (oh well)
Now, I had been under the impression that alignment meant nothing as far
as bloodline went. Your bloodline (originally) was determined by your
proximity to the exploding gods..of course most people were generqally
closer to their own, and hence alignments sort of fit, but in a melee that
big, I can't see how it is possible that EVERYONE would have rceived the
essence of his/her own god. And of course, as you pass on your bloodline,
there is no guarantee that you progeny will be the same alignment as
you..it is quite feasable to have soomone of evil alignment with the blood
of Anduiras, as wel as someone good with the blood of Azrai.
Sean
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03-18-1998, 02:49 AM #6Daniel McSorleyGuest
Dragons
>> Again, alignment is eveything. Tarizin spent half the battle on Azrai's
>> side, and then switched (I think). He was in the neutral ground, a fence
>> rider, and thus didn't get anything (oh well)
>
>Now, I had been under the impression that alignment meant nothing as far
>as bloodline went. Your bloodline (originally) was determined by your
>proximity to the exploding gods..of course most people were generqally
>closer to their own, and hence alignments sort of fit, but in a melee that
>big, I can't see how it is possible that EVERYONE would have rceived the
>essence of his/her own god. And of course, as you pass on your bloodline,
>there is no guarantee that you progeny will be the same alignment as
>you..it is quite feasable to have soomone of evil alignment with the blood
>of Anduiras, as wel as someone good with the blood of Azrai.
>
You're right, alignment makes no difference now. I kind of think it
would have back then. People received bloodlines from the deity they were
associated with, I thought. I'd think they would have been more likely to
be associated with the deity of their race, and neccessarily have been of
that deity's related alignments.
Yes, they did stand closer to their deity. But I think that distance
really made no difference. Dragons can't have bloodlines :), but if they
could, Tarazin wouldn't have received one because he was wishy washy in his
sides, not because he was neutral in alignment.
Daniel McSorley
mcsorley.1@osu.edu
ICQ:5299865
AIM:DanMcS
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03-18-1998, 10:16 AM #7Gary V. FossGuest
Dragons
Daniel McSorley wrote:
> >> Again, alignment is eveything. Tarizin spent half the battle on Azrai's
> >> side, and then switched (I think). He was in the neutral ground, a fence
> >> rider, and thus didn't get anything (oh well)
> >
> >Now, I had been under the impression that alignment meant nothing as far
> >as bloodline went. Your bloodline (originally) was determined by your
> >proximity to the exploding gods..of course most people were generqally
> >closer to their own, and hence alignments sort of fit, but in a melee that
> >big, I can't see how it is possible that EVERYONE would have rceived the
> >essence of his/her own god. And of course, as you pass on your bloodline,
> >there is no guarantee that you progeny will be the same alignment as
> >you..it is quite feasable to have soomone of evil alignment with the blood
> >of Anduiras, as wel as someone good with the blood of Azrai.
> >
> You're right, alignment makes no difference now. I kind of think it
> would have back then. People received bloodlines from the deity they were
> associated with, I thought. I'd think they would have been more likely to
> be associated with the deity of their race, and neccessarily have been of
> that deity's related alignments.
> Yes, they did stand closer to their deity. But I think that distance
> really made no difference. Dragons can't have bloodlines :), but if they
> could, Tarazin wouldn't have received one because he was wishy washy in his
> sides, not because he was neutral in alignment.
>From my reading, I got the impression that alignment had little or nothing to do
with receiving a bloodline. The only influence it had was where one was likely
to be standing when the gods went nuclear. In fact, I thought distance had
everything to do with getting a bloodline and its relative strength. The reason
Haelyn became a god was because he was standing right next to Anduiras at the
crucial moment. The same is true for the rest of the deities and their
followers.
As for dragons having bloodlines. I've heard some interesting arguments on
either side. Personally, I don't see why a dragon can't have a bloodline. In
fact, it makes as much (more) sense as (than) a boar or a wolf having one. As
for why a dragon would lay low about it for the past fifteen hundred years...
well, dragons are pretty private, inscrutable creatures, eh? Especially
Cerilian ones. Cerilian dragons make Cerilian elves look like guests on the
Jerry Springer show.
It seems to me I read in one Awnsheigh description or the other that it gained
its bloodline through bloodtheft (or added to its bloodline) not by stabbing a
scion/regent through the heart but by swallowing the poor sod whole. A dragon
would be able to do this. It might even get a kick out of it.
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03-18-1998, 11:55 AM #8Phil BurgeGuest
Dragons
There are at least two 'possible' dragons mentioned in BR with the
ability to control sources. The first is The Dragon of the Drachenward
(HotGB) and the second is Vore Lekiniskiy (TotHW). Whether they have
bloodlines is up to the individual DM, however I cannot see any reason
why they should not if they were present at Deismaar. The reason Tarazin
and other dragons are not blooded could simply be because of their magic
resistance. Dragons are naturally resistant to magic and therefore in
the majority of cases the magical essence of the Gods probably just slid
off them like water off a duck. In some cases however the essence of the
Gods could have overcome the Dragon's resistance and imbued them with
Divine power. Remember MR resists all magic, not just harmful magic.
Just my thoughts, Phil.
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03-18-1998, 03:22 PM #9Keyplate72Guest
Dragons
>Again, alignment is eveything. Tarizen spent half the battle on Azrai's
>side, and then switched (I think). He was in the neutral ground, a fence
> rider, and thus didn't get anything (oh well)
Maybe it was not that Tarizen was a "fence rider," so much as a "fence flyer."
I recall reading in Blood Enemies?? that the gods stood on these huge rocks
(don't recall the name). So as they gave up their astrial forms they actually
stood close to the ground. Now I think it's fairly understood how the divine
essence, in the form of "blood," is tied to the ground. (Only scions accepted
by the land to rule, etc).
Is it possible the essence of the "exploding" gods just didn't make it to far
in the air?
Thus a flying dragon (I assume Cerillian dragons are flyers, and would be
during a battle) would have less of a chance of being hit by any of the
diviness.
Hope this makes a bit of sense
BSS
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03-18-1998, 05:40 PM #10Daniel McSorleyGuest
Dragons
>There are at least two 'possible' dragons mentioned in BR with the
>ability to control sources. The first is The Dragon of the Drachenward
>(HotGB) and the second is Vore Lekiniskiy (TotHW
OK, I've heard this before, I know about the "Dragon," but who is Vore
Lekinskiy? Could someone give me a page number? I've read all of Tribes,
and just scanned it, but obviously I missed it.
Daniel McSorley
mcsorley.1@osu.edu
ICQ:5299865
AIM:DanMcS
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