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09-30-1997, 12:24 PM #1
Q: Dragons in Action
Hi folks
I am running a campaign in Brechtur (Berhagen) and I think I need your
advice:
As DM I'd like to introduce dragons being more active, probably attacking
Kingdoms, perhaps even building a realm of their own, depending on the
players reactions. I even made up warcards to kick my players armies when
situations get worse for them >;-)))
As a matter of fact, I do not know, if that causes problems with BR. So I
got following questions:
1) I know, that there are only a few dragons known of in Cerillia (eight,
I think: One situated in the Five Peaks (Dragon Mag) and a few more in
northern Brechtur). Is there a problem when I introduce a few more (I do
not want to destroy the setting, but I like these monsters, good and evil
all alike)?
2) Are there (more) reasons that the dragons became that inactiv? I do
not know the rulebook by heart, but I think they where to few and too old
to get into fighting.
3) Ed: Does this collide with past or future TSR Products?
Thanxx in advance
Manfred
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09-30-1997, 02:55 PM #2Bryon SwitalaGuest
Q: Dragons in Action
At 02:24 PM 9/30/97 +0200, you wrote:
>As DM I'd like to introduce dragons being more active, probably attacking
>Kingdoms, perhaps even building a realm of their own, depending on the
>players reactions. I even made up warcards to kick my players armies when
>situations get worse for them >;-)))
>
>As a matter of fact, I do not know, if that causes problems with BR. So I
>got following questions:
>
>1) I know, that there are only a few dragons known of in Cerillia (eight,
>I think: One situated in the Five Peaks (Dragon Mag) and a few more in
>northern Brechtur). Is there a problem when I introduce a few more (I do
>not want to destroy the setting, but I like these monsters, good and evil
>all alike)?
If you feel this woun't upset your game to much give it a try. Don't make
the Dragon all powerful, remember the Gorgon is suppose to be the big bad
guy. Also, if you think your players can handle the new situation.
>2) Are there (more) reasons that the dragons became that inactiv? I do
>not know the rulebook by heart, but I think they where to few and too old
>to get into fighting.
Look into the TSR Dragon Magizine archives about BR dragons. I'm not sure of
the date, but I think the netbook has a link, or someone here can tell you.
Play test it for a little while. Let me khow it works and keep me up-dated.
Bryon Switala-That-that-that Damnable Bannier Andien
***So Be It ***
How dare they say that.
"I'm Not A Twirp" ;-)
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09-30-1997, 04:15 PM #3Ed StarkGuest
Q: Dragons in Action
At 02:24 PM 9/30/97 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi folks
>
>I am running a campaign in Brechtur (Berhagen) and I think I need your
>advice:
>
>As DM I'd like to introduce dragons being more active, probably attacking
>Kingdoms, perhaps even building a realm of their own, depending on the
>players reactions. I even made up warcards to kick my players armies when
>situations get worse for them >;-)))
Hmmn ... certainly possible. Cerilian dragons can be good or evil, and
their activity cycles vary. We've always presented them as creatures who
waken slowly, and for brief periods, but there is rumored to be a dragon in
Drachenward (and one in the upcoming TRIBES-Vos realm of Yeninskiy), both
of which rule some holdings (source, in both cases).
>As a matter of fact, I do not know, if that causes problems with BR. So I
>got following questions:
>
>1) I know, that there are only a few dragons known of in Cerillia (eight,
>I think: One situated in the Five Peaks (Dragon Mag) and a few more in
>northern Brechtur). Is there a problem when I introduce a few more (I do
>not want to destroy the setting, but I like these monsters, good and evil
>all alike)?
According to published information, there are "known" to be six (living)
dragons on Cerilia. Since dragons are pretty big and, when they DO waken,
they cause quite an uproar, that's probably a pretty accurate count. Of
course, there may be a few more (or even a few less) that just haven't
shown their snouts for a few centuries.
And, of course, there's no reason one couldn't come down from Thaele or up
from Aduria (or over the Sea of Dragons for that matter).
I know of four living Cerilian dragons that are (or have been) in published
material, but that's just off the top of my head. Little BR quiz--can you
name and place the four I'm thinking of? Are there more?
>2) Are there (more) reasons that the dragons became that inactiv? I do
>not know the rulebook by heart, but I think they where to few and too old
>to get into fighting.
IMHO, it's because they're very old and because, if they WEREN'T as
inactive as they are, they'd depopulate Cerilia--when awake, a creature the
size of a dragon with the ability to fly and breathe fire (read: incredible
exothermic output) would need a massive amount of energy (read: food). They
gorge themselves when awake, then get to business, then take long naps.
Sound like anyone you know ;-)?
>3) Ed: Does this collide with past or future TSR Products?
It could, but big deal? If you're getting creative with something that's
going to make your campaign more interesting, then don't worry about what
we're going to publish. Some of you are already outlining Aduria; we may do
something on Aduria later on. While I hope you buy, use, and enjoy anything
we put out on Aduria (in the distant future--not this year, not next), I
hope you won't keep from using your own creativity because of something we
MIGHT publish.
But, to provide a more useful answer, probably not. With the coming of
TRIBES, we've completed the exploration of Cerilia. Depending on fan
interest, we may go into more detail in the future (we'll certainly publish
adventures with more detail on specific locations, not to mention other
product), but we probably won't write anything that completely voids
information you come up with on your own.
>Thanxx in advance
You're welcome.
Ed Stark
Game Designer, Wizards of the Coast/TSR Division
Asst. Brand Manager, BIRTHRIGHT/GREYHAWK/MARVEL Group
TSR Website: http://www.tsrinc.com
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09-30-1997, 05:06 PM #4DarkstarGuest
Q: Dragons in Action
voelkman wrote:
> As DM I'd like to introduce dragons being more active, probably attacking
> Kingdoms, perhaps even building a realm of their own, depending on the
> players reactions. I even made up warcards to kick my players armies when
> situations get worse for them >;-)))
Do you have any information for the warcard (stats etc) that you would
like to send in to be added to my webpage?
> As a matter of fact, I do not know, if that causes problems with BR. So I
> got following questions:
> 1) I know, that there are only a few dragons known of in Cerillia (eight,
> I think: One situated in the Five Peaks (Dragon Mag) and a few more in
> northern Brechtur). Is there a problem when I introduce a few more (I do
> not want to destroy the setting, but I like these monsters, good and evil
> all alike)?
Well it is your campaign so if you want to add extra Dragons go for it.
Role Playing is not always about following rules and if something in the
rules doesn't suit your idea of your campaign then change it. I know I
do all the time.
> 2) Are there (more) reasons that the dragons became that inactiv? I do
> not know the rulebook by heart, but I think they where to few and too old
> to get into fighting.
They are probably not interested in the activities of the short lived
humans of Brechtur. I have not had a Dragon in my campaign so far
(except an illusionary one :) however.
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Ian Hoskins
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From the Darkness we came.
And to the Darkness we will return.
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09-30-1997, 05:51 PM #5
Q: Dragons in Action
At 02:24 PM 9/30/97 +0200,
Voelkman(manfred.voelk@Student.Uni-Augsburg.DE)wrote:
>
>1) I know, that there are only a few dragons known of in Cerillia (eight,
>I think: One situated in the Five Peaks (Dragon Mag) and a few more in
>northern Brechtur). Is there a problem when I introduce a few more (I do
>not want to destroy the setting, but I like these monsters, good and evil
>all alike)?
>
The only problems I can see are these: First, it truly messes with the
history of Dragons, and local ecology. Dragons are a dying breed. Once they
were masters of the world, and as the millenniums passed the world changed
so that now it can only support a very few. Secondly, Cerilian Dragons are
incredibly powerful creatures. If they still existed in any great number
they would easily rule the world. Why they do not would need to be
answered. I still think you could do the things you want in your game,
without increasing the number of living Dragons. All you need is one of
them to get really power-hungry, and have him start building an empire.
Lastly, the rarity of Dragons in BR gives them an almost mythical quality.
Few people will ever see a Dragon, so legends and stories surrounding them
can make great foundations for good adventures. This, of course, is all MHO.
Sepsis, richt@metrolink.net
"War is a matter of vital importance to the State;
the province of life or death;
the road to survival or ruin.
It is mandatory that it be thoroughly studied."
-Sun Tzu,(The Art of War)-
BR Netbook: http://webpages.metrolink.net/~veleda/birth.html
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09-30-1997, 08:13 PM #6Mark A VandermeulenGuest
Q: Dragons in Action
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, voelkman wrote:
> Hi folks
>
> I am running a campaign in Brechtur (Berhagen) and I think I need your
> advice:
>
> As DM I'd like to introduce dragons being more active, probably attacking
> Kingdoms, perhaps even building a realm of their own, depending on the
> players reactions. I even made up warcards to kick my players armies when
> situations get worse for them >;-)))
>
> As a matter of fact, I do not know, if that causes problems with BR. So I
> got following questions:
>
> 1) I know, that there are only a few dragons known of in Cerillia (eight,
> I think: One situated in the Five Peaks (Dragon Mag) and a few more in
> northern Brechtur). Is there a problem when I introduce a few more (I do
> not want to destroy the setting, but I like these monsters, good and evil
> all alike)?
If that's what you want to do as DM, the more power to you. I personally
would probably pull a Beowulf and introduce a "young" dragon as the beast
that's terrifying the character's country, and then when they deal with
him, then spring the beast's mama on them (she was sleeping and didn't
know that he grew restless and wandered outside to explore). Feel free NOT
to use the standard AD&D dragons: the one supplied as a card in the main
box goes nicely with the Cerillain settling. I would take care to make the
dragon seem mysterious: perhaps the initial tales are not believed, and
even when its existence is proven, its behavior is impossible to fathom,
seemingly following no pattern logical to humans.
>
> 2) Are there (more) reasons that the dragons became that inactiv? I do
> not know the rulebook by heart, but I think they where to few and too old
> to get into fighting.
>
That's pretty much as I remember it. There were few left, and most were
old, and they sort of became withdrawn. Perhaps there is a reason for
this: perhaps in their profound control of Cerilia's magic, they became
aware of some future event, some great cataclism, or some great
opportunity for them, and at this time they're pretty much resting up and
prepairing for The Event, whatever it is. (I love playing with
prophesies.)
Mark VanderMeulen
vander+@pitt.edu
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