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In my games there are horse bloodlines with divine bloodlines just like the blood hounds from the blood spawn book and this is where highly intelligent elven horses come from blooded horses.
What do other people think of this.
Has anyone ever posted on this subject before.MORNINGSTAR
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03-01-2004, 04:30 PM #2
It`s an excellent idea. In a campaign I ran a while back, all paladins`
mounts were descendant from Haelyn`s horse at Deismaar. The players were
actually quite pleased with that, as it explained the mount`s special
powers.
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graham anderson wrote:
In my games there are horse bloodlines with divine bloodlines just
like the blood hounds from the blood spawn book and this is where highly
intelligent elven horses come from blooded horses.What do other people
think of this.Has anyone ever posted on this subject before.
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03-01-2004, 05:10 PM #3
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> graham anderson wrote:
> In my games there are horse bloodlines with divine bloodlines just like
the blood hounds from the blood spawn book and this is where highly
intelligent elven horses come from blooded horses.What do other people
think of this.Has anyone ever posted on this subject before.
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I don`t think I`d make Elf ponies blooded, for that is if you recall the
blood of gods, and they don`t really have an interest--they`d probably be
animals originally from the Shadow-World, or just really unique animal
breeds. There are plenty of examples in the books of blooded animals (Hydra,
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We did the same thing as far as blooded horses. But we did not tie them into elven horses. IMO that is going a little too far in the line. There really should be no reason that elven horses should be descended from horses with 'divine blood' in them, unless they are mostly of Azrai descent - which is probably not a good thing for a mount, IMO.
Elven horses in Cerilia have always bothered me. This seemed to be just some carry over from other settings. IMO it is rather difficult to have any large quantity of horses in the thick forests that Cerilian elves call home. Horses are mostly plains animals and plains are something that elves would perceive as the result of human defilement of the 'living' forests of Cerilia.Duane Eggert
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> irdeggman wrote:
> We did the same thing as far as blooded horses. But we did not tie them
into elven horses. IMO that is going a little too far in the line. There
really should be no reason that elven horses should be descended from horses
with `divine blood` in them, unless they are mostly of Azrai descent - which
is probably not a good thing for a mount, IMO.
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> Elven horses in Cerilia have always bothered me. This seemed to be just
some carry over from other settings. IMO it is rather difficult to have any
large quantity of horses in the thick forests that Cerilian elves call home.
Horses are mostly plains animals and plains are something that elves would
perceive as the result of human defilement of the `living` forests of
Cerilia.
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Well Elves are not /only/ Forests creatures in Cerilia--they just live there
now right? They once rules the entire continent--including deserts,
mountains etc.
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03-01-2004, 06:10 PM #6
At 06:16 PM 3/1/2004 +0100, irdeggman wrote:
>Elven horses in Cerilia have always bothered me. This seemed to be just
>some carry over from other settings. IMO it is rather difficult to have
>any large quantity of horses in the thick forests that Cerilian elves call
>home. Horses are mostly plains animals and plains are something that
>elves would perceive as the result of human defilement of the `living`
>forests of Cerilia.
In BR elven horses live in trees. They swing from branch to branch eating
pinecones and nesting in the upper branches away from predators like sloths
and emus.
Seriously, though, unless one is going to suppose that horses didn`t exist
on the continent and were imported at the same time the human tribes
migrated to Cerilia, when elves ruled more of the continent they probably
would have had normal access to horses. They would, in fact, be the race
most likely to use them since dwarves, gnolls and orogs aren`t generally
interested--except maybe for their use as food--and goblins have their own
mounts.
Now that elves have retreated to forested provinces they should probably
still have horses, but their numbers should be smaller than amongst most
some human cultures (particularly Anuireans.) Their equines might be more
along the lines of unicorns, that is to say they might be a more sylvan
breed that has as much in common with fantasy mounts--as far as terrain
lived in goes--as they do with real world ones. They live primarily in the
glens and meadows of elven lands where there is some grazing, but in
general their need for food might be in some ways adapted to a more wooded
terrain or simply "magically reduced" by elven husbandry to something that
would be more sustainable in forested provinces using the ubiquitous "elven
magic" that accounts for things like elven metallurgy.
Gary
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03-01-2004, 06:50 PM #7
irdeggman, this is when it is sometimes fruitfull to put aside the strict
real world, even while you are able to maintain all of its logic. For
example, there are many species in the real world that are very similar to
horses, including zebra, raindeer, moose, and probabaly most useful in our
purpose here, deer. Only horses were domesticated because only horses have
a complete assortment of the neccesary traits.
can`t be a finicky eater
quick growth rate -- possibly not a problem for elves
domestication must not distrupt courtship -- rules out the vicuña (a
camel spieces of South America)
docile disposition -- rules out the African buffalo, and four of the six
equid species, inlcuding the onager, and three kinds of zebras
must not panic -- this rules out most deer and antelope, with the
notable exception of reindeer
requires a social structure
BR has wolves as mounts for goblins, so either the goblins accept their
nasty disposition as adults or they have a less ferocious variety. In
general, the disqualifying factor for deer as a domesticated mount is its
tendency to panic. If one simply imagines a Cerilian species of deer that
stands its ground and defends itself in a herd, you have a possible mount.
Alternatly, you could rule that only elves facility with the deer, either as
riders or even just as trainers, overcome the natural tendency to panic,
thereby absolutly ruling out non-elves from using or domesticating the
mounts. Also, one might take their light build into account, arguing that
heavier humans and the dense dwarves are too much of a burden for deer to
carry on their backs. There are three dozen species of deer, so its much
easier to imagine a variety that performs whatever purposes you need.
Or, you could imagine a variety of horse that lives very much like a deer, a
forest variety, occupying the same ecological niche as deer (what`s one more
species) but otherwise a horse. This one could even have the skittishness
of deer, making human domestication nearly impossible, if one wanted it to
be so.
Kenneth Gauck
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03-01-2004, 07:01 PM #8
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There are a large number of horse species around the world just look at all the pony's etc. I have no problem with a slightly smaller than normal forest breed of horse which is generaly how the elven horses are described. These horses may once have been more like human horses but have changed since the elves retreated to the forests.
The goblins don't just ride wolves the bigger verieties ride horses as well albeit from a weaker lineage. I always thought of the wolves the goblins ride as more like dogs, domesticated large dogs admitadly that have been bred for use as mounts.MORNINGSTAR
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03-01-2004, 07:30 PM #9
In the same campaign that had paladin`s mounts being descendant from
Haelyn`s steed, the goblins rode worgs. These worgs were descendant from
normal wolves that got imbued with Azrai`s power at Deismaar.
That explained their size, malevolence (as opposed to normal wolves that
were just normal animals), and their intelligence.
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graham anderson wrote:
There are a large number of horse species around the world just look
at all the pony`s etc. I have no problem with a slightly smaller than
normal forest breed of horse which is generaly how the elven horses are
described. These horses may once have been more like human horses but
have changed since the elves retreated to the forests.
The goblins don`t just ride wolves the bigger verieties ride horses as
well albeit from a weaker lineage. I always thought of the wolves the
goblins ride as more like dogs, domesticated large dogs admitadly that
have been bred for use as mounts.
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In a message dated 3/1/04 11:04:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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<< graham anderson wrote:
In my games there are horse bloodlines with divine bloodlines just like
the blood hounds from the blood spawn book and this is where highly intelligent
elven horses come from blooded horses.What do other people think of this.Has
anyone ever posted on this subject before. >>
Very briefly IMC, a dog had blood powers, as it critted on a blooded ogre
during a combat. The PCs were really impressed with the light show before
jealousy set in. The pooch unfortunately was killed (no bloodtheft) in the next
game-session.
Lee.
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