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    In my games there are horse bloodlines with divine bloodlines just like the blood hounds from the blood spawn book and this is where highly intelligent elven horses come from blooded horses.

    What do other people think of this.

    Has anyone ever posted on this subject before.
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    It`s an excellent idea. In a campaign I ran a while back, all paladins`

    mounts were descendant from Haelyn`s horse at Deismaar. The players were

    actually quite pleased with that, as it explained the mount`s special

    powers.



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    graham anderson wrote:

    In my games there are horse bloodlines with divine bloodlines just

    like the blood hounds from the blood spawn book and this is where highly

    intelligent elven horses come from blooded horses.What do other people

    think of this.Has anyone ever posted on this subject before.



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    ----- Original Message -----

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    Subject: [BIRTHRIGHT] Animals with bloodlines [2#2312]





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    > graham anderson wrote:

    > In my games there are horse bloodlines with divine bloodlines just like

    the blood hounds from the blood spawn book and this is where highly

    intelligent elven horses come from blooded horses.What do other people

    think of this.Has anyone ever posted on this subject before.

    >



    I don`t think I`d make Elf ponies blooded, for that is if you recall the

    blood of gods, and they don`t really have an interest--they`d probably be

    animals originally from the Shadow-World, or just really unique animal

    breeds. There are plenty of examples in the books of blooded animals (Hydra,

    The Boar, etc)
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    We did the same thing as far as blooded horses. But we did not tie them into elven horses. IMO that is going a little too far in the line. There really should be no reason that elven horses should be descended from horses with &#39;divine blood&#39; in them, unless they are mostly of Azrai descent - which is probably not a good thing for a mount, IMO.

    Elven horses in Cerilia have always bothered me. This seemed to be just some carry over from other settings. IMO it is rather difficult to have any large quantity of horses in the thick forests that Cerilian elves call home. Horses are mostly plains animals and plains are something that elves would perceive as the result of human defilement of the &#39;living&#39; forests of Cerilia.
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    ----- Original Message -----

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    Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] Animals with bloodlines [2#2312]





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    > irdeggman wrote:

    > We did the same thing as far as blooded horses. But we did not tie them

    into elven horses. IMO that is going a little too far in the line. There

    really should be no reason that elven horses should be descended from horses

    with `divine blood` in them, unless they are mostly of Azrai descent - which

    is probably not a good thing for a mount, IMO.

    >

    > Elven horses in Cerilia have always bothered me. This seemed to be just

    some carry over from other settings. IMO it is rather difficult to have any

    large quantity of horses in the thick forests that Cerilian elves call home.

    Horses are mostly plains animals and plains are something that elves would

    perceive as the result of human defilement of the `living` forests of

    Cerilia.

    >





    Well Elves are not /only/ Forests creatures in Cerilia--they just live there

    now right? They once rules the entire continent--including deserts,

    mountains etc.



    (I for one have a Fantasy setting where they use Deer--big deer but still..)
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    At 06:16 PM 3/1/2004 +0100, irdeggman wrote:



    >Elven horses in Cerilia have always bothered me. This seemed to be just

    >some carry over from other settings. IMO it is rather difficult to have

    >any large quantity of horses in the thick forests that Cerilian elves call

    >home. Horses are mostly plains animals and plains are something that

    >elves would perceive as the result of human defilement of the `living`

    >forests of Cerilia.



    In BR elven horses live in trees. They swing from branch to branch eating

    pinecones and nesting in the upper branches away from predators like sloths

    and emus.



    Seriously, though, unless one is going to suppose that horses didn`t exist

    on the continent and were imported at the same time the human tribes

    migrated to Cerilia, when elves ruled more of the continent they probably

    would have had normal access to horses. They would, in fact, be the race

    most likely to use them since dwarves, gnolls and orogs aren`t generally

    interested--except maybe for their use as food--and goblins have their own

    mounts.



    Now that elves have retreated to forested provinces they should probably

    still have horses, but their numbers should be smaller than amongst most

    some human cultures (particularly Anuireans.) Their equines might be more

    along the lines of unicorns, that is to say they might be a more sylvan

    breed that has as much in common with fantasy mounts--as far as terrain

    lived in goes--as they do with real world ones. They live primarily in the

    glens and meadows of elven lands where there is some grazing, but in

    general their need for food might be in some ways adapted to a more wooded

    terrain or simply "magically reduced" by elven husbandry to something that

    would be more sustainable in forested provinces using the ubiquitous "elven

    magic" that accounts for things like elven metallurgy.



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    irdeggman, this is when it is sometimes fruitfull to put aside the strict

    real world, even while you are able to maintain all of its logic. For

    example, there are many species in the real world that are very similar to

    horses, including zebra, raindeer, moose, and probabaly most useful in our

    purpose here, deer. Only horses were domesticated because only horses have

    a complete assortment of the neccesary traits.



    can`t be a finicky eater

    quick growth rate -- possibly not a problem for elves

    domestication must not distrupt courtship -- rules out the vicu˝a (a

    camel spieces of South America)

    docile disposition -- rules out the African buffalo, and four of the six

    equid species, inlcuding the onager, and three kinds of zebras

    must not panic -- this rules out most deer and antelope, with the

    notable exception of reindeer

    requires a social structure



    BR has wolves as mounts for goblins, so either the goblins accept their

    nasty disposition as adults or they have a less ferocious variety. In

    general, the disqualifying factor for deer as a domesticated mount is its

    tendency to panic. If one simply imagines a Cerilian species of deer that

    stands its ground and defends itself in a herd, you have a possible mount.

    Alternatly, you could rule that only elves facility with the deer, either as

    riders or even just as trainers, overcome the natural tendency to panic,

    thereby absolutly ruling out non-elves from using or domesticating the

    mounts. Also, one might take their light build into account, arguing that

    heavier humans and the dense dwarves are too much of a burden for deer to

    carry on their backs. There are three dozen species of deer, so its much

    easier to imagine a variety that performs whatever purposes you need.



    Or, you could imagine a variety of horse that lives very much like a deer, a

    forest variety, occupying the same ecological niche as deer (what`s one more

    species) but otherwise a horse. This one could even have the skittishness

    of deer, making human domestication nearly impossible, if one wanted it to

    be so.



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    There are a large number of horse species around the world just look at all the pony&#39;s etc. I have no problem with a slightly smaller than normal forest breed of horse which is generaly how the elven horses are described. These horses may once have been more like human horses but have changed since the elves retreated to the forests.

    The goblins don&#39;t just ride wolves the bigger verieties ride horses as well albeit from a weaker lineage. I always thought of the wolves the goblins ride as more like dogs, domesticated large dogs admitadly that have been bred for use as mounts.
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    In the same campaign that had paladin`s mounts being descendant from

    Haelyn`s steed, the goblins rode worgs. These worgs were descendant from

    normal wolves that got imbued with Azrai`s power at Deismaar.



    That explained their size, malevolence (as opposed to normal wolves that

    were just normal animals), and their intelligence.



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    graham anderson wrote:

    There are a large number of horse species around the world just look

    at all the pony`s etc. I have no problem with a slightly smaller than

    normal forest breed of horse which is generaly how the elven horses are

    described. These horses may once have been more like human horses but

    have changed since the elves retreated to the forests.



    The goblins don`t just ride wolves the bigger verieties ride horses as

    well albeit from a weaker lineage. I always thought of the wolves the

    goblins ride as more like dogs, domesticated large dogs admitadly that

    have been bred for use as mounts.



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    In a message dated 3/1/04 11:04:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,

    brnetboard@BIRTHRIGHT.NET writes:



    << graham anderson wrote:

    In my games there are horse bloodlines with divine bloodlines just like

    the blood hounds from the blood spawn book and this is where highly intelligent

    elven horses come from blooded horses.What do other people think of this.Has

    anyone ever posted on this subject before. >>



    Very briefly IMC, a dog had blood powers, as it critted on a blooded ogre

    during a combat. The PCs were really impressed with the light show before

    jealousy set in. The pooch unfortunately was killed (no bloodtheft) in the next

    game-session.



    Lee.

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