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    > Birthright is more that a "wargame with role-playing aspects," as a
    > former TSR CEO mistakenly defined it, but that is most peoples' conception
    > of it. We need to show them that BR is a cool place to game, even if you
    > don't like crunching numbers.
    >

    You know what? I like Birthright better than any other AD&D setting
    because it's background and roleplaying intuitions, not really for
    the domain turn mechanics, so maybe I'm going to be the only person
    in this list that appreciates the developement of the
    role-playing side. But in the end, Birthright can be played in many
    ways and my last campaign was role-playing only...so everybody who
    likes the domain turns better can as easily play an exclusively
    administrative campaign. And most probably the stressing of the RPG
    aspects of BR will bring new players to this setting... :-)

  2. #2
    Paul Lefebvre
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    TSRInc@aol.com wrote:

    > OK, Tripp Elliot suggested a really interesting prize for
    > the contest, I checked with Ted Stark, and Ted okayed it.
    >
    > Just so you know, they are going to be revising the BR box set
    > into a hardbound book, focusing less on the domain turn
    > mechanics and emphasizing role-playing more. I can't get
    > into it any more than that right now, but I am a BR fan and
    > so is Ted, and we both like what's planned for the revision.
    > Anyway, with that in mind ....
    >
    > The winner of the net-logo contest will get to name a character
    > appearing in the revised setting. We'll work out the details
    > later, but the name and short description the winner provides
    > will be listed as an NPC in the new book. We might have to edit
    > or shorten it to fit in the book, but that's what we'll be
    > shooting for (and if it just doesn't fit, we'll stick that
    > character in a different product, like something on the Shadow
    > World).
    >
    > Sound cool?
    >
    > Good gaming!
    > --
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    >
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    > line
    > One thing about this book. The ravenloft setting is getting
    rereleased as a book right?? What do you do for maps?? Can't fit them
    that well into the book I don't think (or is it just folded up and
    slipped in??)

    Paul L.

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    Paul Lefebvre
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    Tripp wrote:

    > TSRInc@aol.com wrote:
    > >
    > > OK, Tripp Elliot suggested a really interesting prize for
    > > the contest, I checked with Ted Stark, and Ted okayed it.
    > >
    > > Just so you know, they are going to be revising the BR box set
    > > into a hardbound book, focusing less on the domain turn
    > > mechanics and emphasizing role-playing more. I can't get
    > > into it any more than that right now, but I am a BR fan and
    > > so is Ted, and we both like what's planned for the revision.
    > > Anyway, with that in mind ....
    > >
    > > The winner of the net-logo contest will get to name a character
    > > appearing in the revised setting. We'll work out the details
    > > later, but the name and short description the winner provides
    > > will be listed as an NPC in the new book. We might have to edit
    > > or shorten it to fit in the book, but that's what we'll be
    > > shooting for (and if it just doesn't fit, we'll stick that
    > > character in a different product, like something on the Shadow
    > > World).
    > >
    > > Sound cool?
    > >
    > > Good gaming!
    > > --
    > > TSR Online Coordinator
    > > TSRinc@aol.com | http://www.tsrinc.com
    >

    I think the idea of the hardbound book with more focus on
    roleplaying is a great idea. Maybe it should go side by side with the
    boxed set. This way, if you want to play the more war-gaming/tactical
    aspect of the game, you can use the stuff out of the box, and if you
    really want to do more role playing in the setting, you use the book...

    Paul L.

    P.S. Birthright beats FR hands down for a medieval RPG setting IMHO.

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    Paul Lefebvre
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    TSRInc@aol.com wrote:

    > ::sigh:: I knew that little statement was going to get
    > misinterpreted.
    >
    > Folks, there is more to BR than just the _mechanics_ of the domain
    > turns.
    > So much of the book in the original box set was devoted to them that
    > people think that they _have_ to use them, and are using them like a
    > crutch.
    > Ted is still going to include them in a reduced form, but will also
    > emphasize that the domain turns can also be handled through
    > role-playing.
    > We're not killing the essence of Birthright, or anything stupid like
    > that.
    > Birthright is more that a "wargame with role-playing aspects," as a
    > former TSR CEO mistakenly defined it, but that is most peoples'
    > conception
    > of it. We need to show them that BR is a cool place to game, even if
    > you
    > don't like crunching numbers.
    >
    > This is the last I have to say on this matter. Don't ask me to debate
    > this
    > issue - Iwon't.
    >
    > Good gaming!
    > --
    > TSR Online Coordinator
    > TSRinc@aol.com | http://www.tsrinc.com
    >

    People are getting so defensive about this. When it comes down to
    it, the birthright rules for running domains took up 40 pages. I think
    they are sufficient. Heck, TSR could take those 40 pages and stick them
    intact into a larger 300 page BR hardcover and have the rest of it
    enhance the role playing aspect of the game.....would that REALLY be
    taking away from it?? I think not. You'd be getting all the same stuff
    you had in the box, and the people who enjoy the role playing aspect
    would get all the info and detail on cultures, races, history, that they
    wanted. I think this could only strenghthen the product line.

    Paul L.

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    Paul Lefebvre
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    Cymbelline wrote:

    >
    >
    > John Campbell wrote:
    >
    >> Less Domain mechanics! :-( This game is COOL because of the
    >> Domain
    >> mechanics. If I want intricate NPC and world detail I can close my
    >> eyes
    >> and spit in any direction and get that. :-( Bad move
    >> TSR-WotC.
    >> Improve on a cool idea, don't lose it.
    >>
    >
    > This new version of the game will be concentrating more on roleplaying
    > and NPCs then the original box set did; IMHO it is because they are
    > trying to keep BIRTHRIGHT alive. It was mentioned recently that one
    > of the reasons BR did not sell well was because many potential buyers
    > saw it as nothing more than a war game of sorts, with very little
    > roleplaying, etc. Just because there is going to be less emphasis
    > of domain actions, etc., does not mean it will affect your game. I
    > certainly do not see it interrupting my campaign. I'll continue to
    > use them. I would rather TSR try a new advertising pitch with BR
    > instead of watching it fade away. Besides, the domain mechanics are
    > not the only good thing about BR - the intricate NPCs and the
    > fascinating world history are other things that make BR stand out from
    > the other campaigns you can buy. What about the awnsheghlien?
    > What about the elves? What about the bloodlines? What about the
    > cultures? Overall, the realism and depth of BR sold me, not the
    > domain mechanics.
    >
    > Regards,
    > Cymbelline.
    >
    >

    I agree entirely. I don't believe that enriching the capacity of
    the world as a role playing venue is such a bad thing. Use the box for
    the domain actions, buy the book if you want in depth role
    playing...otherwise there may not be any birthright products in another
    two years...

    Paul L.


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    Cymbelline wrote:
     

    John Campbell wrote:
    Less Domain mechanics!   :-(   
    This game is COOL because of the Domain
    mechanics.  If I want intricate NPC and world detail I can close
    my eyes
    and spit in any direction and get that.     
    :-(   Bad move TSR-WotC.
       Improve on a cool idea, don't lose it.
     
    This new version of the game will be concentrating more on roleplaying
    and NPCs then the original box set did; IMHO it is because they are trying
    to keep BIRTHRIGHT alive.    It was mentioned recently that
    one of the reasons BR did not sell well was because many potential buyers
    saw it as nothing more than a war game of sorts, with very little roleplaying,
    etc.    Just because there is going to be less emphasis
    of domain actions, etc., does not mean it will affect your game.  
    I certainly do not see it interrupting my campaign.   I'll continue
    to use them.    I would rather TSR try a new advertising
    pitch with BR instead of watching it fade away.   Besides, the
    domain mechanics are not the only good thing about BR - the intricate
    NPCs and the fascinating world history are other things that make BR stand
    out from the other campaigns you can buy.   What about the awnsheghlien?   
    What about the elves?    What about the bloodlines?   
    What about the cultures?   Overall, the realism and depth of
    BR sold me, not the domain mechanics.

    Regards,
    Cymbelline.
     
     
        I agree entirely.  I don't believe that enriching
    the capacity of the world as a role playing venue is such a bad thing. 
    Use the box for the domain actions, buy the book if you want in depth role
    playing...otherwise there may not be any birthright products in another
    two years...

    Paul L.
     

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    breye@earthlink.ne
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    Paul Lefebvre wrote:

    > ...One thing about this book [the new BR hard cover]. The
    > Ravenloft setting is getting rereleased as a book right??
    > What do you do for maps?? Can't fit them that well into the
    > book I don't think (or is it just folded up and slipped in??)
    >
    > Paul L.

    That is one of the weak things about the Ravenloft Hardcover,
    the maps are chopped up and put into little maps before the
    chapter relating to the area.

    Bry

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    Paul Lefebvre
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    breye@earthlink.net wrote:

    > Paul Lefebvre wrote:
    >
    > > ...One thing about this book [the new BR hard cover]. The
    > > Ravenloft setting is getting rereleased as a book right??
    > > What do you do for maps?? Can't fit them that well into the
    > > book I don't think (or is it just folded up and slipped in??)
    > >
    > > Paul L.
    >
    > That is one of the weak things about the Ravenloft Hardcover,
    > the maps are chopped up and put into little maps before the
    > chapter relating to the area.
    >
    > Brye

    Well, maybe they'll sell maps separately for the worlds they do in
    hardcover book versions....just like the old trail map of krynn. It
    wasn't too expensive..

    Paul L.

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