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  1. #1
    Robin Cantin
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    Prisioners of War.

    >Capturing Enemy Soldiers.
    (...)
    >When in battle and an unit is routed, but has no where to flee to
    >normally the unit is destoryed. I instead rule that the unit has
    >surrendered or been captured by the enemy. This means that soldiers can
    >be captured by the enemy and are considered prisoners of war.
    >Also when a unit is attempting to flee the province, but can not do so
    >they unit can be captured.
    >These prisoners of war can then be put to work in labour camps or can be
    >drafted into slave units.
    (...)
    >Ian Hoskins

    Nice idea, but wasn't there a strong tradition of ransoming captured
    soldiers in medieval and renaissance times, with pretty much standard
    prices? Game masters could establish such a "ransom scale", and any ruler
    who wouldn't accept to pay to get his soldiers out of prison camps would
    look hearthless and/or broke to the other regents.
    Perhaps the ransomed units could be mustered again at lower cost, since
    they don't have to be trained again, although they would have to be given
    new equipment.

    Robin



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  2. #2
    Robin Cantin
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    Prisioners of War.

    - ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
    >Capturing Enemy Soldiers.
    (...)
    >When in battle and an unit is routed, but has no where to flee to
    >normally the unit is destoryed. I instead rule that the unit has
    >surrendered or been captured by the enemy. This means that soldiers can
    >be captured by the enemy and are considered prisoners of war.
    >Also when a unit is attempting to flee the province, but can not do so
    >they unit can be captured.
    >These prisoners of war can then be put to work in labour camps or can be
    >drafted into slave units.
    (...)
    >Ian Hoskins

    while we are on this subject, i'd like to ask a question about capturing
    units. say an elven unit gets captured, does that mean a player regent now
    basically owns 200 suits of elven chain mail??
    I'm sure elven units wear 'elven chain mail' but the thought of 100's of
    the suits falling into human (player) hands isn't nice. Saying that elves
    don't wear elven chain and only wear standard (human) chain and plate sorta
    takes away the idea of elves being light on their feet to attack and flee
    before being spotted.
    Anyone else come across this or have any thoughts about it?

    Eric
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  3. #3
    Angelo A. Venzon
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    Prisioners of War.

    > while we are on this subject, i'd like to ask a question about capturing
    > units. say an elven unit gets captured, does that mean a player regent now
    > basically owns 200 suits of elven chain mail??
    > I'm sure elven units wear 'elven chain mail' but the thought of 100's of
    > the suits falling into human (player) hands isn't nice. Saying that elves
    > don't wear elven chain and only wear standard (human) chain and plate sorta
    > takes away the idea of elves being light on their feet to attack and flee
    > before being spotted.
    > Anyone else come across this or have any thoughts about it?
    >
    It would be great to have a eleven chain mail but here is something to consider:

    Most humans would find it hard to fit in elven chain mail.

    The theft of the mail would most likely be the cause of many retributive
    raids by the elves, both in attempts to regain the mail or just cause the
    regent grief.

    It is also possible that such bounty would attract the attention of other
    regents.

    Would the elven warriors freely give of their mail? Probably not.
    And there may be magical devices that prevent any non-elves from using the
    mail.(However this would seem greatly expensive in time and magical
    resourses)

  4. #4
    ┬╝├Ľ ┬┤┬ę┬Ş┬«(Son, Nuree
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    Prisioners of War.

    > From: Robin Cantin
    > Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Prisioners of War.
    >
    > while we are on this subject, i'd like to ask a question about
    capturing
    > units. say an elven unit gets captured, does that mean a player regent
    now
    > basically owns 200 suits of elven chain mail??

    According to the DMG, an elven chain mail is a magical item. All chain
    mails made by elves are not elevn chain mails. Do you think every elf PCs
    have elven chain mails when they start adventuring life?

    > I'm sure elven units wear 'elven chain mail' but the thought of 100's
    of
    > the suits falling into human (player) hands isn't nice. Saying that
    elves
    > don't wear elven chain and only wear standard (human) chain and plate
    sorta
    > takes away the idea of elves being light on their feet to attack and
    flee
    > before being spotted.
    > Anyone else come across this or have any thoughts about it?

    Where did you get the idea of elves to attack and flee before being
    spotted? In a large scale battle, isn't it nearly impossible?

    - - Son, Nuree

  5. #5
    Darkstar
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    Prisioners of War.

    Robin Cantin wrote:
    > while we are on this subject, i'd like to ask a question about capturing
    > units. say an elven unit gets captured, does that mean a player regent now
    > basically owns 200 suits of elven chain mail??

    I would say that you would own 200 suits of armour made by Elves, but
    not necessarily the magical Elven chain mail. Some Elven units may not
    even where chain, they might wear leather etc instead.

    I would think only the Generals and important Elven figures would be
    dressed in the magical Elven Chain.


    It does pose an interesting question though. After you kill the enemy
    soldiers can you loot their corpse for their armour and weapons etc to
    outfit your own troops. Maybe if you did the cost of mustering a new
    unit may be reduced?

    Of course maybe it is already done, that is why outfitting 200 soldiers
    with armour and weapons can cost as little as 4000 gp.

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  6. #6
    johnpost@umich.ed
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    Prisioners of War.

    In addition to the problems listed below about taking elven chain
    from the elves wearing it, a captured unit is likely to have many
    dead or injured elves. The primary reason for getting injured is
    usually someone sticking something pointy through your armor. If
    the mail is damaged and only a trained elf smithy can reapir it,
    then the market will not be flooded with elven chain. The capturing
    army with have a bunch of useless war trophies.

    Most elves of the Rhoubhe Manslayer or Seilwode variety will not
    allow themselves to be captured. They will fight the vile human
    scum dogs until their last breath or preferably flee into the forests.
    I think that elves would concentrate on guerilla tactics in fighting
    humans. They would hit supply lines, attack sentries at night, terrorize
    unprotected villages and towns. Elvees lining up on the battle field to
    march into a waiting human army does not make much sense to me.
    These are creatures of Chaos. I am suprised that you can even get
    200 of them to work together in a company.

    Finally, as avenzon mentions below, elves and humans are not the same
    size.
    Elves are lithe, skinny, emaciated compared to the thick, heavy
    plodding humans. This should be emphasized. Only someone with a
    rather low strength and weight would be able to fit in elven chain.

    - ---Stuff about elven chainmail cut ---
    >It would be great to have a eleven chain mail but here is something to
    >consider:
    >
    >Most humans would find it hard to fit in elven chain mail.
    >
    >The theft of the mail would most likely be the cause of many
    >retributive
    >raids by the elves, both in attempts to regain the mail or just cause
    >the
    >regent grief.
    >
    >It is also possible that such bounty would attract the attention of
    >other
    >regents.
    >
    >Would the elven warriors freely give of their mail? Probably not.
    >And there may be magical devices that prevent any non-elves from using
    >the
    >mail.(However this would seem greatly expensive in time and magical
    >resourses)

  7. #7
    Paul Lefebvre
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    Prisioners of War.

    johnpost@umich.edu wrote:

    > In addition to the problems listed below about taking elven chain
    > from the elves wearing it, a captured unit is likely to have many
    > dead or injured elves. The primary reason for getting injured is
    > usually someone sticking something pointy through your armor. If
    > the mail is damaged and only a trained elf smithy can reapir it,
    > then the market will not be flooded with elven chain. The capturing
    > army with have a bunch of useless war trophies.
    >
    > Most elves of the Rhoubhe Manslayer or Seilwode variety will not
    > allow themselves to be captured. They will fight the vile human
    > scum dogs until their last breath or preferably flee into the forests.
    >
    > I think that elves would concentrate on guerilla tactics in fighting
    > humans. They would hit supply lines, attack sentries at night,
    > terrorize
    > unprotected villages and towns. Elvees lining up on the battle field
    > to
    > march into a waiting human army does not make much sense to me.
    > These are creatures of Chaos. I am suprised that you can even get
    > 200 of them to work together in a company.
    >
    > Finally, as avenzon mentions below, elves and humans are not the same
    > size.
    > Elves are lithe, skinny, emaciated compared to the thick, heavy
    > plodding humans. This should be emphasized. Only someone with a
    > rather low strength and weight would be able to fit in elven chain.
    >

    I agree entirely. Elves lining up in regiments is a horribly
    wasteful idea. These guys have like 3 children in 100 years. Are they
    honestly going to line up to be cut down like grass?? Guerrila war
    would be their specialty IMHO. However, when you think about it, an
    elven warrior with 100+ years practice with blades should (by any turn
    of logic) be able to whup the behind of almost any human warrior they
    run across...(in the Iron Throne, it showed the elves in Tuarhieval in
    weapon's practice...and they seemed pretty intense).
    BTW, is "War" as good a book as the "Iron Throne" was?

    Paul L.

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