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  1. #1
    Harri Kemppainen
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    Blood Enemies Questions

    On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Brandon Quina wrote:

    > > why do they NEED to be blooded to rule now? Elves mastered magic long
    > > before humans, yet they NEED the blood of a human's god to use True
    > > Magic, with ley lines and all? Dwarven deities have always seemed
    > > practical and sensible to me, yet Moradin must be crazy, because only
    > > a dwarf with the blood of a HUMAN god can become regent of DWARVEN
    > > temples?

    > Human god or not-- a god is a god is a god, and gods are majestic,
    > powerful, and truly powerful. Anyone who saw one would be overwhelmed
    > (if you think a regents divine aura is strong, imagine what the ones
    > the GODs had were like). Even /MORADIN/ would want someone with a
    > touch of the divine ruling his kingdom, as it would be easier on his
    > people.
    >
    > As for the elves, they dont have gods of their own. It becomes even
    > MORE important to them. Divine is Divine-- its not like the gods
    > WERE human or anything.. They were /GODS/.. An elf with a divine
    > bloodline is the closest thing the elves HAVE to a diety-- an elf
    > with divine powers.. Its only natural that these people would ascend
    > to power. Now, it has become so ingrained in peoples mind that they
    > cant imagine their nations ruled by the unblooded.

    I can see why these thigs bug people, I myself wouldn't mind for minor
    inconsistencies. Anyway there is reasonable solution to this problem well
    two actually.

    Like Bandon Quinna points out bloodlines comes from GODS. It cant be
    actually anything to do with blood more like divine power and what those
    GODS represented. Those GODS were real so even if elves don't believe in
    gods they just don't stop existing. And after all who says predeismaar
    GODS were not for all races, humans, demihumans, goblinoids etc.

    Other solution is more like TSR solution. Same rules apply to all but on
    different grounds. Human regents rule and cast spells because they have
    a bloodline, elves cos they are so attuned to land or more likely to
    forrests and all life in it, and dwarves cos they are attuned to rock in
    which they live and mine, and halfings cos they are from Shadow World and
    draw energy straight from there. Only problem is that why some elves
    dwarves or halfings can use this energy. Well you just born with it, in
    game terms all cases can be handled with rules relating to bloodlines,
    regency etc.

    If you look a bit closer what bloodlines are, you see that it comes very
    close to late medieval idea that god gives the king the right to rule. In
    BR its just more concrete, GODS gave their essence which enables regent to
    attune with land and gain regency points.

    - ---
    cshake@kastanja.uta.fi

  2. #2
    Jeremy Reaban
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    Blood Enemies Questions

    I finally got Blood Enemies, which I ordered from a mail order company way
    way back in May. (It was originally damaged in the mail - then returned,
    then replaced, but they couldn't replace another thing I ordered from them
    at the same time- Cities of the Sun - it's now Out of Print apparently, so
    they delayed resending it to see if they could find one)

    Anyway, I have some questions.

    First of all, I noticed a mention of a psionicist. (One of the people eaten
    by the Hydra was one). I thought there were no psionicists in BR. Has this
    changed? On a related note, in the entry for the Wolf - one of the
    interviewers has powers of telepathy and empathy. Psionics again?

    Secondly, the Itave? Are they detailed anywhere? (Cities of the Sun?)

    And also, in a couple cases, just the killing of some blooded people, as
    opposed to impaling them through the heart, seems to increase the killers
    bloodline (as well as someone in the area). For instance, the Chimera. Not
    that I mind making it harder for players, but I think the rules should
    apply to everyone equally, unless there is a good explanation.

    Jeremy


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  3. #3
    Cymbelline
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    Blood Enemies Questions

    Jeremy Reaban wrote:

    > First of all, I noticed a mention of a psionicist. (One of the people
    > eaten
    > by the Hydra was one). I thought there were no psionicists in BR. Has
    > this
    > changed? On a related note, in the entry for the Wolf - one of the
    > interviewers has powers of telepathy and empathy. Psionics again?
    >

    No, as far as I can tell it has not changed. But I am beginning to
    believe that maybe, just maybe, the Maestians (have I spelled that
    correctly? I don't know think, but then again...) had some sort of
    psionic ability. Could these people who were killed have been
    psionic? Who knows...?

    Regards,
    Cymbelline.

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    MHahn59022@aol.co
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    Blood Enemies Questions

    In a message dated 97-08-19 07:27:08 EDT, you write:

    >

    I think that it is much more likely for a psionicist to be mistaken for an
    enchanter, rather than vice verse, given the fact that most people have never
    even heard of weird mind powers, and have heard of weird magic powers.

    Michael Hahn
    You can run, but you'll only die tired.

  5. #5
    breye@earthlink.ne
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    Blood Enemies Questions

    MHahn59022@aol.com wrote:
    >
    > In a message dated 97-08-19 07:27:08 EDT, you write:
    >
    > really fit the setting? Besides which point, it could really be an
    > enchanter or something that people THINK is a psionicist....after all,
    > magic is very rare right? Maybe someone is just bamboozling the
    > witnesses.
    > >>
    >
    > I think that it is much more likely for a psionicist to be mistaken for an
    > enchanter, rather than vice verse, given the fact that most people have never
    > even heard of weird mind powers, and have heard of weird magic powers.
    >

    Psionicist? My opinion is that someone goofed, and it slipped by, but
    if you are looking for ways to explain how or why a Psionicist is there,
    you could say that the Psionicist was an adventurer from another world.

    Bry

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    Paul Lefebvre
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    Blood Enemies Questions

    MHahn59022@aol.com wrote:

    > In a message dated 97-08-19 07:27:08 EDT, you write:
    >
    >
    > really fit the setting? Besides which point, it could really be an
    > enchanter or something that people THINK is a psionicist....after
    > all,
    > magic is very rare right? Maybe someone is just bamboozling the
    > witnesses.
    > >>
    >
    > I think that it is much more likely for a psionicist to be mistaken
    > for an
    > enchanter, rather than vice verse, given the fact that most people
    > have never
    > even heard of weird mind powers, and have heard of weird magic powers.
    >
    > Michael Hahn

    Perhaps a psionicist has immigrated from another world then...

    Paul L.

  7. #7
    Paul Lefebvre
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    Blood Enemies Questions

    Cymbelline wrote:

    > Jeremy Reaban wrote:
    >
    > > First of all, I noticed a mention of a psionicist. (One of the
    > people
    > > eaten
    > > by the Hydra was one). I thought there were no psionicists in BR.
    > Has
    > > this
    > > changed? On a related note, in the entry for the Wolf - one of the
    > > interviewers has powers of telepathy and empathy. Psionics again?
    > >
    >
    > No, as far as I can tell it has not changed. But I am beginning to
    > believe that maybe, just maybe, the Maestians (have I spelled that
    > correctly? I don't know think, but then again...) had some sort of
    > psionic ability. Could these people who were killed have been
    > psionic? Who knows...?
    >
    > Regards,
    > Cymbelline.
    >

    That's an interesting idea...they were supposed to be different from
    everyone else in some way weren't they? The Serpent caused them to all
    be slain by outer planar creatures from what I understand...then there
    are those mysterious creatures called the "Dhoumaire" (I think....the
    one's who wait, or the one's who watch). In my campaign, I am planning
    on using them as a group of migrant Irda that fled Krynn before or
    during the Chaos war. Actually, one thing that I'm really curious
    about is magic...there are references to the Vos once being powerful
    sorcerors...but if they were all simply magicians, with illusions and
    divinations, this doesn't really hold true. And in the Book of
    Magecraft, there are references to ley lines BEFORE Deismaar, and the
    fact that the elves had the ability to use them...does that mean that
    non-blooded elves have the ability to use sources and ley lines??
    Additionally, it's kind of nitpicking, but if the elves always had true
    magic, and the humans only had lesser magic, how the heck did the elves
    ever lose?? One elven mage with some well-cast spells could decimate
    or terrify an opposing human army...can you imagine even a 10th lvl
    mage going against a magician with basically only illusions and
    divinations..?? The humans had clerics and everything, but clerics
    aren't always the most useful in war, facing units of enemies...
    Also, what happens when a non-blooded human mage in Cerilia travels
    to another world like Toril?? Can they use all schools of magic?? What
    about a Torilian wizard (obviously not blooded) travelling to
    Cerillia?? Would they lose the ability to cast any spells higher than
    lvl 2 or the Illusion and Divination schools??
    Lastly, what about the Magian. He is some sort of Lich, and even
    was before he arrived on Cerilia and gained a bloodline...and the spells
    required to become a lich require a lot more than illusions and
    divinations or 1st and 2nd lvl spells of the other schools...how would
    he have become a lich?
    If anyone can answer any of these questions that would be great
    (including TSR staff). I'm new to this list, so if it's been discussed
    before, I never received any of those messages.

    Paul L.

  8. #8
    Paul Lefebvre
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    Blood Enemies Questions

    breye@earthlink.net wrote:

    > MHahn59022@aol.com wrote:
    > >
    > > In a message dated 97-08-19 07:27:08 EDT, you write:
    > >
    > > > really fit the setting? Besides which point, it could really be an
    >
    > > enchanter or something that people THINK is a psionicist....after
    > all,
    > > magic is very rare right? Maybe someone is just bamboozling the
    > > witnesses.
    > > >>
    > >
    > > I think that it is much more likely for a psionicist to be mistaken
    > for an
    > > enchanter, rather than vice verse, given the fact that most people
    > have never
    > > even heard of weird mind powers, and have heard of weird magic
    > powers.
    > >
    >
    > Psionicist? My opinion is that someone goofed, and it slipped by, but
    >
    > if you are looking for ways to explain how or why a Psionicist is
    > there,
    > you could say that the Psionicist was an adventurer from another
    > world.
    >
    >

    Well yeah, someone probably did goof, unless there's something they're
    not telling us, but it's also interesting to try and fit it in somehow.
    Now that it's in print, TSR will.

    Paul L.

  9. #9
    Paul Lefebvre
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    Blood Enemies Questions

    MagnusKhn@aol.com wrote:

    > I also believe that an off-world wizard will only have access to
    > magician
    > magic while in Cerilia or the Shadow, as the power comes from the
    > land, and
    > is governed by Ruornil, and neither of them (nor I ) would be happy
    > about an
    > offworld mage taking over... also, Elminster reduced to a magician is
    > just so
    > dang funny...
    > ...(V)agnus |{haine...
    > ************

    That is EXACTLY why I brought up the point...trying to decide ways
    to beat on elminster a bit in my campaign (and if he was simply a
    magician for a while)...and some way to drop Drizzt...the ranger's
    lasted way too long and it's getting boring.. I think what the realms
    need is some MAJOR renovations where a bunch of the old stock NPCs and
    institutions get whipped....maybe that's what the Phaerimm are
    for...
    Paul L.

  10. #10

    Blood Enemies Questions

    At 01:29 PM 8/20/97 -0400, (MagnusKhn@aol.com)wrote:
    >

    >
    >(Side note- Since halflings did not come into Cerilia until
    >a while after Deismaar, how did they become a blooded race?
    >Perhaps purist Elves invested away their human blood and gave it to
    >Halflings?)
    >

    >

    There is no doubt that the explosion at Deismaar had a few major effects on
    the SW. Blooding the native race could have been one of them. I have also
    heard(in a novel prehaps)that the first Halflings arrived on Cerilia as the
    blast took Deismaar and ripped a hole between the two worlds. Blooding them
    as they arrived.

    Sepsis, richt@metrolink.net

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    the province of life or death;
    the road to survival or ruin.
    It is mandatory that it be thoroughly studied."
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