Blood Enemies Questions

[dsolie]

Paul Lefebvre wrote:
>
> dsolie wrote:
>
> > Paul Lefebvre wrote:
> > > And in the Book of
> > > Magecraft, there are references to ley lines BEFORE Deismaar, and
> > the
> > > fact that the elves had the ability to use them...does that mean
> > that
> > > non-blooded elves have the ability to use sources and ley lines??
> > Elves are so attuned to nature that any elf could become a true
> > mage....
> But only someone with realm magic (ie. a bloodline) can use ley
> lines, sources, and realm spells in the setting....
>
"True magic magic includes all other schools of wizardry, but only
elves, half-elves, and blooded humans can command its arcane power."
BR rulebook, pg 12, 2nd column.

Realm magic can only be used by wizards who can control true magic, and
then only if they own a source....

[Darkstar]

MagnusKhn@aol.com wrote:
>
> I believe that Elves do not require bloodlines to use Ley lines, some elves
> might even find the concept of bloodlines abhorrent, as it is the essence of
> dead gods of the humans... Elves have neither gods nor a love for humans, so
> being a scion might even be seen as an impurity or stigma. As far as them
> needing blood to rule, they, the dwarves and probably the halflings got by
> just fine long before Deismaar. (Side note- Since halflings did not come into
> Cerilia until a while after Deismaar, how did they become a blooded race?
> Perhaps purist Elves invested away their human blood and gave it to
> Halflings?)

Prehaps the Elves did not require bloodlines before Diesmaar, but after
the essense of magic changed and now Elven mages require bloodline, just
like other race. Well that is my opinion anyway.
As for halfling I though I read somewhere that they were present at
Diesmaar, if only watch on from the sidelines.

> I also believe that an off-world wizard will only have access to magician
> magic while in Cerilia or the Shadow, as the power comes from the land, and
> is governed by Ruornil, and neither of them (nor I ) would be happy about an
> offworld mage taking over... also, Elminster reduced to a magician is just so
> dang funny...

That is how I would play it. Any mage from another world would suddenly
find themselves without access to many of their spells.


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[Paul Lefebvre]

Darkstar wrote:

> MagnusKhn@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > I believe that Elves do not require bloodlines to use Ley lines,
> some elves
> > might even find the concept of bloodlines abhorrent, as it is the
> essence of
> > dead gods of the humans... Elves have neither gods nor a love for
> humans, so
> > being a scion might even be seen as an impurity or stigma. As far as
> them
> > needing blood to rule, they, the dwarves and probably the halflings
> got by
> > just fine long before Deismaar. (Side note- Since halflings did not
> come into
> > Cerilia until a while after Deismaar, how did they become a blooded
> race?
> > Perhaps purist Elves invested away their human blood and gave it to
> > Halflings?)
>
> Prehaps the Elves did not require bloodlines before Diesmaar, but
> after
> the essense of magic changed and now Elven mages require bloodline,
> just
> like other race. Well that is my opinion anyway.
> As for halfling I though I read somewhere that they were present at
> Diesmaar, if only watch on from the sidelines.
>
> > I also believe that an off-world wizard will only have access to
> magician
> > magic while in Cerilia or the Shadow, as the power comes from the
> land, and
> > is governed by Ruornil, and neither of them (nor I ) would be happy
> about an
> > offworld mage taking over... also, Elminster reduced to a magician
> is just so
> > dang funny...
>
> That is how I would play it. Any mage from another world would
> suddenly
> find themselves without access to many of their spells.
>
> --
> Ian Hoskins

What about other races that are heavily magical though?? Irda,
drow, githzerai, aasimar (half-human, half-aasimon, from Planescape).
Think these would use true magic??
Is there any birthright product where the lifespan of Cerilian
half-elves has been shown?? A normal elf lives 500-700 years, while a
human lives 100-140. A half-elf lives about 250 years....but in
Cerilia, the elves are immortal. Does a lifespan of about 400-500 years
make sense for half-elves??

Paul L.

[breye@earthlink.ne]

Sepsis wrote:
>
> At 01:29 PM 8/20/97 -0400, (MagnusKhn@aol.com)wrote:
> >
>
> >
> >(Side note- Since halflings did not come into Cerilia until
> >a while after Deismaar, how did they become a blooded race?
> >Perhaps purist Elves invested away their human blood and gave it to
> >Halflings?)

>

> There is no doubt that the explosion at Deismaar had a few major effects on
> the SW. Blooding the native race could have been one of them. I have also
> heard(in a novel prehaps)that the first Halflings arrived on Cerilia as the
> blast took Deismaar and ripped a hole between the two worlds. Blooding them
> as they arrived.
>

Actually the information you're looking for is in the main Birthright rule book,
(p.8 first paragraph)

"...A small number of halflings arrived in Cerilia in time to
witness the battle of Mount Deismaar....."

The halflings were in Cerilia in time to become blooded in
the same way that everyone else, hope that helps.

Bry

[MagnusKhn@aol.co]

In a message dated 97-08-20 21:19:36 EDT, Banshee writes:

[MagnusKhn@aol.co]

Thanks for the info, Sepsis. My area has had next to nothing for BR... EVER!
Therefore I have very limited source material...
...BUT...
What about the Elves, Dwarves, and Halflings before the humans ever came?
They would have had their own rulership way before Deismaar, so why do they
NEED to be blooded to rule now? Elves mastered magic long before humans, yet
they NEED the blood of a human's god to use True Magic, with ley lines and
all? Dwarven deities have always seemed practical and sensible to me, yet
Moradin must be crazy, because only a dwarf with the blood of a HUMAN god can
become regent of DWARVEN temples?
Again, with as predjudiced as many elves are toward humans, why would the
blood of a human god be something to respect? It would seem that the most
extreme of these elves would disdain those with the human-god blood, yet
their leader, Rhoubhe, has gallons of it!
Most of the rules on being a regent seem to primarily apply to humans...

[breye@earthlink.ne]

Paul Lefebvre wrote:
>
> Darkstar wrote:
>
> > MagnusKhn@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > I believe that Elves do not require bloodlines to use Ley lines,
> > some elves
> > > might even find the concept of bloodlines abhorrent, as it is the
> > essence of
> > > dead gods of the humans... Elves have neither gods nor a love for
> > humans, so
> > > being a scion might even be seen as an impurity or stigma. As far as
> > them
> > > needing blood to rule, they, the dwarves and probably the halflings
> > got by
> > > just fine long before Deismaar. (Side note- Since halflings did not
> > come into
> > > Cerilia until a while after Deismaar, how did they become a blooded
> > race?
> > > Perhaps purist Elves invested away their human blood and gave it to
> > > Halflings?)
> >
> > Prehaps the Elves did not require bloodlines before Diesmaar, but
> > after
> > the essense of magic changed and now Elven mages require bloodline,
> > just
> > like other race. Well that is my opinion anyway.
> > As for halfling I though I read somewhere that they were present at
> > Diesmaar, if only watch on from the sidelines.
> >
> > > I also believe that an off-world wizard will only have access to
> > magician
> > > magic while in Cerilia or the Shadow, as the power comes from the
> > land, and
> > > is governed by Ruornil, and neither of them (nor I ) would be happy
> > about an
> > > offworld mage taking over... also, Elminster reduced to a magician
> > is just so
> > > dang funny...
> >
> > That is how I would play it. Any mage from another world would
> > suddenly
> > find themselves without access to many of their spells.
> >
> > --
> > Ian Hoskins
>
> What about other races that are heavily magical though?? Irda,
> drow, githzerai, aasimar (half-human, half-aasimon, from Planescape).
> Think these would use true magic??
> Is there any birthright product where the lifespan of Cerilian
> half-elves has been shown?? A normal elf lives 500-700 years, while a
> human lives 100-140. A half-elf lives about 250 years....but in
> Cerilia, the elves are immortal. Does a lifespan of about 400-500 years
> make sense for half-elves??
>
> Paul L.Ummmm....Birthright elves are immortal I thought.

[MagnusKhn@aol.co]

Irda, Githzerai, drow, etc. DO NOT BELONG ON CERILIA! The land supplies the
power, Ruornil governs it, and the only reason elves are able to use all
magic without necessarily being blooded, Is because they are CERILIAN
elves... they are closely linked with their land. The other races would be
completely subject to the rules of Cerilian magic, after all, Ruornil and
'the land' like it the way it is, and aren't going to be giving away freebies
to offworlders... On the Shadow World seminar recording, it says that any
planar travel to Cerilia deposits you in the Shadow World, and if you think
native Cerilians have a hard time there, offworlders would be zombie chow.

...(V)agnus |{haine...

[Darkstar]

Paul Lefebvre wrote:

> What about other races that are heavily magical though?? Irda,
> drow, githzerai, aasimar (half-human, half-aasimon, from Planescape).
> Think these would use true magic??

Not unless they were blooded, which is unlikly. They could use true
magic on other planes, just not in Cerilia.

> Is there any birthright product where the lifespan of Cerilian
> half-elves has been shown?? A normal elf lives 500-700 years, while a
> human lives 100-140. A half-elf lives about 250 years....but in
> Cerilia, the elves are immortal. Does a lifespan of about 400-500 years
> make sense for half-elves??

I would say that half-elves are immortal as well, but only as long as
they live in the Elven forests. If they leave and live in the realms of
men then they will start to age.

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[Brandon Quina]

> ...BUT...
> What about the Elves, Dwarves, and Halflings before the humans ever
> came? They would have had their own rulership way before Deismaar, so
> why do they NEED to be blooded to rule now? Elves mastered magic long
> before humans, yet they NEED the blood of a human's god to use True
> Magic, with ley lines and all? Dwarven deities have always seemed
> practical and sensible to me, yet Moradin must be crazy, because only
> a dwarf with the blood of a HUMAN god can become regent of DWARVEN
> temples?

Before Deismaar even the Humans had kings and prelates and such forth.
However, after Deismaar those with the divine power naturally rose to
their positions of power. It wasnt a fact that only people with
blooded abilitys can rule domains-- so much that they were the best
suited to ruling a domain.

As for dwarves and elves. You might think that 'human gods' would be
a bad thing-- but remember, the word GOD is in there. In the
dragonlance book, when tanis see's the dark queen he cant help himself
but to bow and worship her. He may hate her guts, and everything about
her but she is a /GOD/.

Human god or not-- a god is a god is a god, and gods are majestic,
powerful, and truly powerful. Anyone who saw one would be overwhelmed
(if you think a regents divine aura is strong, imagine what the ones
the GODs had were like). Even /MORADIN/ would want someone with a
touch of the divine ruling his kingdom, as it would be easier on his
people.

As for the elves, they dont have gods of their own. It becomes even
MORE important to them. Divine is Divine-- its not like the gods
WERE human or anything.. They were /GODS/.. An elf with a divine
bloodline is the closest thing the elves HAVE to a diety-- an elf
with divine powers.. Its only natural that these people would ascend
to power. Now, it has become so ingrained in peoples mind that they
cant imagine their nations ruled by the unblooded.

Another important thing, is that the divine bloodlines used to be
far stronger. They've been diluted by the gorgons harvesting, and
breeding with other-- lesser --bloodlines. I imagine that the people
who started the tradition of the blooded ruling were rather spectular.



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