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02-03-2004, 10:40 AM #11
Azrai:
> Who needs smokepowder if there are fireballs and mighty divine magic?
Does it need to be said?
Everyone who does not possess powerful magic, of course.
I am personally inclined to limit the number of homicidally inclined wizards
who are also so contemptuous of their own safety as to hang around on
battlefields. Certainly there will be some, but not enough to go around.
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John Machin
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"Power performs the Miracle." - Johannes Trithemius
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02-03-2004, 10:40 AM #12
Anthony Juarez:
> My taste includes a steampunk Cerelian setting where the borders
> between
> The World and the Shadow World are almost completely shattered by the
> Gargon`s release of corruptong Dark Sources, the primary source of
> arcane magic. Regency is the only thing that keeps the powers of
> Steamcraft operational, giving man and dwarf alike the ability to help
> drive off the Shadow Wilderness. The gods have once again intervened,
> but Laerme`s avatar has been cleverly captured by The Gorgon who seeks
> to exinguish Larme`s Flame of Hope from the world...
Have you read much of the "Iron Kingdoms" stuff? For some reason, after
reading your idea, I like the concept of an over-lithified Gorgon who has had
to chop himself a bit and attach the bits to a giant steam-jack to move around.
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02-03-2004, 04:30 PM #13
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> Have you read much of the "Iron Kingdoms" stuff? For some reason, after
> reading your idea, I like the concept of an over-lithified Gorgon who
> has had
> to chop himself a bit and attach the bits to a giant steam-jack to move
> around.
Yeah, it`s a combination of Birthright and Witchfire. I got tired of
waiting for the official Iron Kingdoms campaign release that was
promised in 2001, so I decided to use Birthright. Works well, I think.
;)
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02-03-2004, 05:50 PM #14
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John Machin schrieb:
>Osprey:
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>> I think he`d be far less of a threat as a pure fighter...FAR less.
>>
>>
>Possibly, but in 2e he could look at people and kill them once per round for
>free. That`s pretty damn threatening if you ask me!;)
>
>
Yes, but in 2E the simple 1st level wizard spell "Gaze Reflection" would
have granted total protection against that ability.
Now in 3E the protection against gaze attacks is less perfect with only
50% protection AND it´s no longer 1st, but a 2nd level spell.
>Exactly.
>I don`t see anywhere the kind of career change needed to make the Gorgon the
>equal of pretty much any wizard in Anuire (bar that Lichey Sidhe from PS:
>Tuarhievel... no comment...). I like the idea of the Gorgon as a brutal tyrant
>who plans well, but I do not see that means he -must- be a wizard. I think its
>more interesting if he isn`t, and if he just has a cadre of wizards who are
>trying to curry his favour (i.e. stay alive) and murder their rivals.
>
Aren´t two failed large-scale invasions of Anuire not enough reason for
an intelligent being with lots of time having the long life
bloodability to search for other ways to achieve it´s goal?
bye
Michael
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02-04-2004, 03:30 AM #15
Anthony Juarez:
> Yeah, it`s a combination of Birthright and Witchfire. I got tired of
> waiting for the official Iron Kingdoms campaign release that was
> promised in 2001, so I decided to use Birthright. Works well, I think.
> ;)
The Iron Kingdoms "Monsternomicon" is pretty neat. Some interesting prestige
classes, and a neat little system to help codify what the -characters- know
about the capabilities and weaknesses of monsters. I like the neat fey-
creatures too, some of them are really easily dropped into BR.
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John Machin
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02-04-2004, 03:30 AM #16
Michael Romes:
> Yes, but in 2E the simple 1st level wizard spell "Gaze Reflection"
> would have granted total protection against that ability.
> Now in 3E the protection against gaze attacks is less perfect with only
> 50% protection AND it´s no longer 1st, but a 2nd level spell.
Wizard`s have their own vulnerabilities, I am sure you will agree; especially
when facing one of the most powerful warriors in Cerilia.
> Aren´t two failed large-scale invasions of Anuire not enough reason for
> an intelligent being with lots of time having the long life
> bloodability to search for other ways to achieve it´s goal?
Who says they were failed? It has been commented on that the Gorgon likes to
treat the bloodlines of Anuire as vines - to be cultivated and then plucked
when they are ready. Perhaps these "failed invasions" were just pretexts to
draw out Anuire`s best and brightest so they could be killed by Ol` Stonebutt?
Isn`t more worrying to contemplate the idea that they weren`t meant to succeed?
Perhaps the reason that the Gorgon has not conquered Anuire yet is because he`s
not ready to... not while there are still a few more Great bloodlines to be
harvested...
Smart, evil, powerful - the Gorgon is all these things. He`s doesn`t need to be
a wizard to be them though.
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02-04-2004, 06:50 AM #17
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> The Iron Kingdoms "Monsternomicon" is pretty neat. Some interesting
> prestige
> classes, and a neat little system to help codify what the -characters-
> know
> about the capabilities and weaknesses of monsters. I like the neat fey-
> creatures too, some of them are really easily dropped into BR.
One of my players loves its treasure system. Monsters don`t drop
treasure; rather the monster entry suggests methods of getting money
from the monster`s carcass. Stuff like "Niag`s eyes are useful in
making alchemists fire. One eye is enough for half a year. They can
sell for 4,000gp for a fresh, pererved pair." At least, that`s what I
heard.
Eventually, I`ll start doing that in Birthright. It`d be especially
cool in any realm outside Anuire or Brechtur, I think. Right now I just
do adventure hooks that way. "Help! Help! The siege engineers need
Niag`s eyes!" : )
But yeah, I think the Iron Kingdoms stuff mix well with Birthright.
They are both very rich, wonderful settings with a very *real* flavor
that is overshadowed only be a fanatical need to comply with unreal,
literary flawed presumptions of D&D (any edition).
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02-04-2004, 06:50 AM #18
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> Who says they were failed? It has been commented on that the Gorgon
> likes to
> treat the bloodlines of Anuire as vines - to be cultivated and then
> plucked
> when they are ready. Perhaps these "failed invasions" were just
> pretexts to
> draw out Anuire`s best and brightest so they could be killed by Ol`
> Stonebutt?
Maybe it`s just the stereotypically villainness of it, but I prefer to
think of the Gorgon as frustrated and more than a little desperate
rather that having a grand plot that is all going according to the
Master Plan. I don`t like to think of him as a strategic genius with
long-range plans so much as an opportunist who is cunning and
intuitive.
What do you say we all compromise and give him Bard levels instead?
(ducks!)
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02-04-2004, 10:30 AM #19
Anthony Juarez:
> Maybe it`s just the stereotypically villainness of it, but I prefer to
> think of the Gorgon as frustrated and more than a little desperate
> rather that having a grand plot that is all going according to the
> Master Plan. I don`t like to think of him as a strategic genius with
> long-range plans so much as an opportunist who is cunning and
> intuitive.
Poor villains.
I like to ensure my campaign`s key villain(s) are at least as clever as the
players. Intelligence on the part of NPCs trumps "more power" nearly every
time, in my opinion.
> What do you say we all compromise and give him Bard levels instead?
> (ducks!)
To that I give a succint "no".
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02-04-2004, 11:10 PM #20Poor villains.
I like to ensure my campaign`s key villain(s) are at least as clever as the
players. Intelligence on the part of NPCs trumps "more power" nearly every
time, in my opinion.
-Osprey
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