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    Difrent typse of experts you would like
    to be hired for bonuses and spesial tasks

    General
    Adminstrator
    Assasin
    Chamberlain
    Diplomat
    Loremaster
    Spymaster
    Captain of the Guard (or head of your bodyguard)
    Beater of the Bounds (hired adventurer to deal with monsters/random events)
    Personal Physician
    Sherif
    Court Wizard/Magician

    ___

    Im now thinking of rules to alow any wandering
    wise man/adventurer to hier themselfes to
    the regent, or to his court.

    Im also thinking of the poor players
    thet can take in some cas by working
    for the powerfull regents, as in
    'ply trade'

    Im also thinking of the Lt. and
    how you can benifit from having
    more then one

    Im thinking what is the base benifit
    from a Lt.

    what is the difrence betvine a Lt.
    and a court.

    what is the difrence betvine a court
    and a normal Holding.

    what are actions, players and thet stuff.

    players as lt. How can it by fun?

    OK here ae my thougths on thows maters.

    ____

    the 'Ply Trade' rules discribe
    what you cain in profit
    from your trade.

    thet is what you make minus what you spend plying the trade.

    ___

    Now Here is somone in nead of
    skilled <insert trade here> to do
    <insert job here>.

    1. the regent can find him, then put him to work as a Lt.
    without the propper controle of central buro.

    2. The court can be thet propper central buro
    it needs to have the skilled work on whatever
    the regents whant him to do, without
    personaly manage him.

    3. He can be hierd and put to work by the court alone
    in the court has the propper alowance to pay
    what ever is needed, and has permission to
    do so.


    the cost of a skilled <insert trade here> would be there (ply trade income) * multiplyer

    a multiplyer idee is &#39;(30 minus (size of court + size of province)) div 10&#39;

    This givse courts a economic edge,

    reasoning.

    size of court
    you can get &#39;ply trader&#39; more cheaply if your large,
    and you already spend a lot of monney in organicering
    and administrading your empire, so there isint much
    need of extra exspence becous of few extra hands.

    size of province
    here Im talking about the prov your &#39;ply trader&#39;
    is working in, it is always as a rule thet it is more
    expensive to have people working in the less civilised
    areas. but on the other hand, there &#39;ply trade&#39; returns
    themselfse much less in the less civilised areas.

    Consider the &#39;ply trader&#39; to be plying the trade in the prov
    he is hired in. thet usualy begin the same as the plase where
    your court is, exept if you spend a court action to
    hire them somewere else.

    thees people grant you a aid bonus (+2) to what ever act you migth
    wana take, as long as the act afects the prov the &#39;ply trader&#39;
    is in, and only thet prov.

    (but there must be some scaling factor here, so more skilled people are more usefull
    perhaps the less skilled cant be used for some graiter tasks. or something like thet.)


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    I would say thet your Holdings automaticly have people working in Buros
    and thows are skilled with there jobs. the income of the holding already pays
    the &#39;ply trade&#39; of thees people with any modifyers.

    the rulse I presented here afore sould be more of hiering the experts in the feald
    to asist the holding staff for a short time.

    so the less skilled expert can only be used by the smaller holdings,
    while the larger holdings already have thees expert on payroll.

    _______________

    holding skill needet or roll versus
    level to gain the a DC
    aid bonus
    taking a 10

    0 +10 DC = 20
    1 +11 DC = 21
    2 +11 DC = 21
    3 +12 DC = 22
    4 +12 DC = 22
    5 +13 DC = 23
    6 +13 DC = 23
    7 +14 DC = 24
    8 +14 DC = 24
    9 +15 DC = 25
    10 +15 DC = 25

    failing variant:
    if this DC is faild by some exstence, it can acsuly harm the action

    _______________

    now Lt&#39;s have a job.
    the job is to provide
    this bonus when needed
    _______________

    The Lt&#39;s are more then the
    next skilled traidsman

    thay dont need court
    manipulation or order
    to work as an aid bonus

    thay are loyal (usualy)


    _______________ end.




    page 92

    Lieutenants
    The court of a powerful regent may have many trusted courtiers,
    but most courtiers have strictly defined responsibilities
    and checks and balances to keep them from overstepping their
    prerogatives. A domain&#39;s regent may, however, name one or
    more of his courtiers as his lieutenant(s). A domain&#39;s lieutenants
    are authorized to speak with the voice of the regent, even
    to the extent of waging war against a foreign nation, spending
    significant portions of the realms treasury, dispensing justice,
    making binding agreements, and other activities that are generally
    considered the prerogative of the regent alone. Thus a
    lieutenant can perform most domain actions with the same
    advantages that a regent receives when personally attending to
    domain actions and events. Refer to Chapter Eight: Outside
    the lines for more details on Lieutenants.


    page 97

    Court costs
    A regent must maintain the domain court and pay for retainers,
    regular gifts, and diplomatic affairs of state. The seasonal
    maintenance cost for a court is 1 GB per level. If this expense
    is not paid the regent loses 5 RP for every GB of expense of
    short fall and the court automatically decreases in value by
    one level as if the regent had Decreed its downsizing. Furthermore,
    the regent cannot increase the size of her court for a
    full year, as her ability to maintain her courtiers appropriately
    must be reestablished with time. The regent&#39;s court costs provide
    a reasonable wage and standard of living, but do not
    cover highly prized specialists (such as most PCs). Most such
    characters serve the court out of duty, pride, personal power,
    or because they want to. Some lieutenants and specialists may
    require additional payment. Such payments constitute an additional
    expense to the regent&#39;s treasury.


    page 124

    ...advantage. All regents (or their
    designated lieutenant generals) make an opposed
    Warcraft check. In reverse order...


    page 149

    Variant: Free lieutenants
    As discussed in Chapter Five: Ruling a domain, a regent may
    use a Ceremony domain action to invest a trusted character
    with the Lieutenancy of her domain. A regent’s lieutenant
    speaks with the regent’s authority and is capable of running a
    regent’s domain for prolonged periods if necessary. Under
    this variant, a regent may obtain a number of lieutenants equal
    to her charisma modifier (if positive) +1 as if she possessed
    the Leadership feat. These cohorts are in addition to any cohort
    the regent might have from taking the Leadership feat.
    Free Lieutenants are designed using the rules for a standard
    cohort. The Lieutenant’s starting character level is based upon
    the regent’s Leadership score. Lieutenants, like cohorts, usually
    require a salary. A lieutenant’s salary is usually paid from
    the domain’s treasury at the standard rate appropriate to the
    character’s skills as per the Dungeon Master’s Guide.


    Court actions

    Build [Court; 1d4 GB; DC 0]
    Special: Build can also be taken as a standard action. If a
    standard action is spent on a build action, a regent or lieutenant
    may make a Profession (Engineer) check against a DC
    equal to the total cost of the construction; if successful, the
    regent may set the achieved results of any progress rolls instead
    of rolling randomly.


    Standard actions

    Ceremony [Standard; Administrate; 1 GB]
    Lieutenancy: You declare a character as having the authority
    to speak on the domain’s behalf. A recognized lieutenant
    can stand in for the regent in almost any domain-level matter
    and is recognized as wielding the same authority as the regent
    himself. A domain’s heir is often a lieutenant first, but this
    need not be the case. A lieutenant character may spend character
    actions to provide bonuses to domain actions in the same
    way that the domain’s regent can. There is no limit to the
    number of lieutenants that a realm can have, but a clear system
    for determining the responsibilities and resolution of conflicts
    between them must exist.


    Improving units
    For example, a regent wishes to provide special
    marine training (+1 GB muster cost) to a unit of
    Anuirean Elite Infantry (muster cost 4 GB) in a
    province in which they hold a level 4 law holding.
    It would require a law (5) holding to allow a normal
    muster marine elite infantry (5 GB). One of the
    regent&#39;s lieutenants is an experienced fighter with
    several ranks of Profession (Sailor). The trainer
    must make a Lead check against a DC of 16 (10 + 1
    GB + 5 [5 x 1 holding level]) to successfully train
    the unit.

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    holding ... skill needet ..... or roll versus
    level ........ to gain the ..... a DC
    ................ aid bonus
    ................ taking a 10


    0 ............. +10 ................ DC = 20
    1 ............. +11 ................ DC = 21
    2 ............. +11 ................ DC = 21
    3 ............. +12 ................ DC = 22
    4 ............. +12 ................ DC = 22
    5 ............. +13 ................ DC = 23
    6 ............. +13 ................ DC = 23
    7 ............. +14 ................ DC = 24
    8 ............. +14 ................ DC = 24
    9 ............. +15 ................ DC = 25
    10 ............ +15 ............... DC = 25

    failing variant:
    if this DC is faild by some exstence, it can acsuly harm the action

    h34r:

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    ----- Original Message -----

    From: "teloft" <brnetboard@BIRTHRIGHT.NET>

    Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 9:11 PM



    > 1. the regent can find him, then put him to work as a Lt. without the

    > propper controle of central buro.

    > 2. The court can be thet propper central buroit needs to have the skilled

    > work on whateverthe regents whant him to do, withoutpersonaly manage him.`

    > 3. He can be hierd and put to work by the court alone in the court has the

    > propper alowance to paywhat ever is needed, and has permission to do so



    One has to decide what the nature of the state bureaucracy is. If the realm

    is late feudal (as many argue in terms of recruiting units) then there is no

    real bureacracy capable of autonomous action. The bureaucracy just

    facilitates the will of the ruler, is a part of the ruler`s household, and

    ultimatly, the ruler decides everything. In this model, the chamberlain

    both makes decisions of state and oversees the ruler`s bedroom, likewise the

    steward and the kitchen. The rules that were found in 2e (3 realm actions,

    1 Lt action) were based on this model.



    If the realm is early modern (c. 1550 or after) the state begins to seperate

    from the crown, and there are different bureaucracies for selecting sheriffs

    and selecting cooks. The staff of clerks is larger, and its officials more

    autonomous. In this model, the Admiralty might protect its turf, it has

    awareness of its interests. In the previous model the head of the admiralty

    had personal interests and his staff were aware of his interests. Here the

    ruler creates policy and supervises, but once a project is initiated, it no

    longer creates such a demand on the ruler that he must spend realm turns on

    an existing project. His bureaucracy can make day to day decisions on its

    own, and the ruler can fine-tune most decisions with the decree action.



    If one wanted to navigate the transition from one to the other, one could

    allow bureau chiefs to act autonomously, but demand skill checks. The more

    advanced the bureauceacy, the lower the DC.



    Kenneth Gauck

    kgauck@mchsi.com

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