D&d Miniatures Handbook

[Mourn]

Is there a chance that Birthright d20 will use the D&D Miniatures system in order to deal with skirmish and massive battles?

[DanMcSorley]

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Mourn wrote:

> Is there a chance that Birthright d20 will use the D&D Miniatures

> system in order to deal with skirmish and massive battles?



There is not a 0% chance. But the version I`m writing right now is based

on Malhavoc Press`s "Cry Havoc" book, which features an excellent

mass-combat rules set based on regular D&D tactical rules. Someone who

can handle a character in D&D can pick up these rules, note a couple small

changes, and go. The "cry havoc" rules are open content, which means we

can use them without any hassle or getting special permission. The

miniatures rules are not yet, and I don`t know if they`ll ever be.



The D&D minatures book is not intended for "mass combat" on the scale that

a political game like Birthright requires. It claims to be for

"skirmishes", which is apparently "as many figures as you and your

opponent can afford to put on the table". The mass combat rules will

probably be something like "say each figure represents 10 guys instead of

1, and use the same rules", which is what most all mass combat rules are

at heart, but it will take a 30 dollar book and "collectible" packs of

miniatures to pull it off. Cry Havoc is like $13 (and I recommend it to

anyone interested in games with wars), and the BRCS will be free.



The miniatures book basically a hardcover moneymaker for wizards, to

supplement the "collectable miniatures" they`re putting out for that game-

remember, they found that hardcovers make the most money, and decided

that`s all they`ll be producing. With the minis themselves, they

apparently think they`ve figured out a way to bring the continuous income

model (booster packs) of Magic: the Gathering to D&D. In my opinion, it`s

a rediculous proposition.



I haven`t yet seen the miniatures book, who knows, it could be

tremendously better than Cry Havoc. But Wizards` last mini game flopped

in like a year, this is probably a rehash of that, but New! Improved!

Collectible! Heh.



If it turns out to be great, it would be simple for me to put up stats for

BR units in the required format.



Sorry if this sounds angry, I`m still kind of hacked off at wizards for

the censorship provisions in the d20 license.

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Daniel McSorley

[Raesene Andu]

I think you will find that the rules in the current version of the BRCS are not too difficult to use minitures with, just substitute them in place of warcards.

I'd agree with Dan with my current assesement of this Minitures thingy that WotC is releasing and will personally be unlikely to buy anything from that product line. Besides, it is the intention of the BR team to produce a product that can used with just the core rules, and does not need a vast array of additional material to play. That way it is accessable by everyone.

That said, if someone wants to write up a version of mass combat rules for BR using the D&D minitures rules, then we will consider including it in the BRCS.

[RaspK_FOG]

That who would do such a thing would be abrave soul indeed...

Anyhow, do you know where can I buy Malhavoc products without resorting to getting an abhorred credit card? I know it would make online orders possible, which is something I dream of, resorting to whatever other option there is, but I hate to have people on my neck and avoid the things if I can!

[DanMcSorley]

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, RaspK_FOG wrote:

> Anyhow, do you know where can I buy Malhavoc products without resorting

> to getting an abhorred credit card? I know it would make online orders

> possible, which is something I dream of, resorting to whatever other

> option there is, but I hate to have people on my neck and avoid the

> things if I can!



Most of their books are in print and available at game stores. Cry Havoc

is coming out in print in october I believe. Game stores love cash :)



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Daniel McSorley

[kgauck]

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From: "RaspK_FOG" <brnetboard@BIRTHRIGHT.NET>

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> Anyhow, do you know where can I buy Malhavoc products

> without resorting to getting an abhorred credit card?



Consider a bank debit card with a VISA logo. Many banks issue them now.

They work like checks as far as your account goes, but work like credit

cards as far as the vendor goes.



Kenneth Gauck

kgauck@mchsi.com

[RaspK_FOG]

Ahem... It seems I forgot to mention that I actually live in Greece. Now, aside the fact that just somewhere around the end of Spring several reporters said that RPGs were Satan&#39;s work to lure the children (we are talking about 8-year-olds who played Vampire, a gorry gothic horror RPG, of all RPGs in the world) in his embrace and such rubbish, RPG (lining up with anime) products are not exactly as popular with vendors as with people...

If you know of an agency that delivers RPG products abroad so that I can arrange anything (even an association&#33 to deliver stuff in my country I would be grateful&#33; Is there anyone who knows such an agency/vendor/[whatever]?

[DanMcSorley]

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, RaspK_FOG wrote:

> Ahem... It seems I forgot to mention that I actually live in Greece.

> Now, aside the fact that just somewhere around the end of Spring several

> reporters said that RPGs were Satan`s work to lure the children (we are

> talking about 8-year-olds who played Vampire, a gorry gothic horror RPG,

> of all RPGs in the world) in his embrace and such rubbish, RPG (lining

> up with anime) products are not exactly as popular with vendors as with

> people...



That`s lovely. Did Greece have the anti-D&D phase the US did in the 80s?

If not, then those reporters are just a little behind :)



> If you know of an agency that delivers RPG products abroad so that I can

> arrange anything (even an association&#33;) to deliver stuff in my

> country I would be grateful&#33; Is there anyone who knows such an

> agency/vendor/[whatever]?



Mmm, that`s a tough one, I know very little about RPG sales in Greece,

heh. You might be able to catch a ferry to Italy and try there :)



Really, I`d try bookstores, Wizards and White Wolf (who does the print

versions of Malhavoc books I think) both go through major distributors, so

if you can find the ISBN of the book, you ought to be able to order it.



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Daniel McSorley

[Osprey]

Check out Amazon.com - they have a pretty broad international sales base, I think.

[Mourn]

Originally posted by RaspK_FOG@Sep 26 2003, 05:07 AM
Ahem... It seems I forgot to mention that I actually live in Greece. Now, aside the fact that just somewhere around the end of Spring several reporters said that RPGs were Satan&#39;s work to lure the children (we are talking about 8-year-olds who played Vampire, a gorry gothic horror RPG, of all RPGs in the world) in his embrace and such rubbish, RPG (lining up with anime) products are not exactly as popular with vendors as with people...

If you know of an agency that delivers RPG products abroad so that I can arrange anything (even an association&#33 to deliver stuff in my country I would be grateful&#33; Is there anyone who knows such an agency/vendor/[whatever]?

Um. Vampire isn&#39;t gory.